Rocky Mountain ATV MC rant

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  • shrubitup

Posted 02 December 2009 - 03:23 PM

#41

^ Isn't that what a distributors warehouse is for?

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  • l_campionero

Posted 02 December 2009 - 03:26 PM

#42

It still has to be paid for! The 'distributor' doesn't get it for free, and the manufacturer isn't going to sell it on consignment!
As I stated in another thread, the consumer has the ultimate power. Money talks!

  • mihylo33

Posted 02 December 2009 - 03:58 PM

#43

l_campionero said:

As I stated previously, if they were making a profit on two-stroke accessories, they'd still be carrying more of them.
Rocky Mountain is much more diversified than just selling dirt bike stuff. They sell items and accessories for ATVs, side-by-sides, and cruisers, as well as accessories and apparel for the riders, and they sell accessories for trailers too.
Two-stroke motocross bikes probably accounts for a tiny percentage of their overall sales, most likely less than %5. I'd bet they could get along perfectly well if they discontinued dirt bike accessories altogether.
As a former parts department manager of a motorcycle and ATV dealer, I know full well that a shop or a company can not afford to keep and stock items for such a small portion of total sales. Items in the shelves are the same as taking money out of the cash register until the item sells.



Lets say yourself, Shrubitup and David L6 all own motorcycle parts stores.

All 3 carry parts for roadbikes, ATV's and dirtbikes. Now DavidL6 and Shrub carry a wide variety of 2T parts and constantly striving to make the most out of their customers needs while you decided to sell parts geared towards the 4T riders. Now I walk in and I need say 500-600 worth of parts that you don't have or choose not to order in. Do I order my roadbike tires from you and a set of valves for my thumper and then go over to Shrubs and see what he has or do I just go over to Shrubs and spend a grand there because he has everything I need. I spent over 20 grand in the last 2 years on parts for my pinger and I want to know that the companies I deal with actually care about my needs.

  • l_campionero

Posted 02 December 2009 - 04:06 PM

#44

You're missing the point entirely.....never mind.

  • biggziff

Posted 02 December 2009 - 04:12 PM

#45

With the huge attitude in the email you sent them I'm surprised they didn't write something back worse.

  • Ud_Luz

Posted 02 December 2009 - 04:22 PM

#46

Bryan Bosch said:

They have the deep pockets to buy mfg direct BELOW the cost I can buy at from our distributors (Parts Unlimited, Tucker Rocky, Western Powersports, etc...)
Don't feel bad. I go down to Walmart and buy some of our phone stuff, it's cheaper than my distributors in some cases.

  • shrubitup

Posted 02 December 2009 - 04:38 PM

#47

l_campionero said:

You're missing the point entirely.....never mind.
Your point is taken. I hardly think that a FMF spark arrestor is a risky or expensive piece of equipment to try and re-sell. More and more riders realize that having quiet exhausts are important to keeping riding areas open and reducing trail conflicts. It doesn't fix all those issues but it doesn't hurt either.

It's not like I'm asking them to start selling DEP, Zip Ty racing (which TT sells), Bill's Pipes, Doma, HGS, or other less common exhausts for the smoker. It's a FMF spark arrestor. Seems like a common part to me. They don't want to update their product catalog or take a risk on a newer product - that's fine with me because other companies sell dirt bike parts too.

  • BBA

Posted 02 December 2009 - 04:41 PM

#48

biggziff said:

With the huge attitude in the email you sent them I'm surprised they didn't write something back worse.

I was thinking the same thing about the op's email. It seems that RM had a different attitude towards David L6 in their response and could get the part if he wanted.

I say just support the TT store since they are the ones that gives us this great forum to complain about everything:thumbsup:

  • Ud_Luz

Posted 02 December 2009 - 04:48 PM

#49

mihylo33 said:

I spent over 20 grand in the last 2 years on parts for my pinger
Hmm.... :thinking: That's more than I spent on a new KTM 300xcwe, GasGas EC300 and parts combined in the last 2 years. I'm hard on bikes too. What in the world do you do to your bikes?

  • dgiles

Posted 02 December 2009 - 04:50 PM

#50

I'm from Canada and I just placed an order with TT. A Q4 and some other various items. Decision was made with the "coupons" being offered. I don't mind their site and relatively easy to search once you get the hang of it. Wish they stocked Fox helmets and Leatt braces though. I need an adventure. One thing that discourages us "Canadian guys" is the shipping issues. USPS is the only way to avoid brokerage charges. Big plus for TT. Only downer I find is "free shipping" is offered anywhere in the US for orders over $149, but if you place a $500 order from Canada, need to pay the whole shot. No slice to TT, most stores are like that, but even reduced shipping would be nice on larger orders. Usually, shipping is the only thing preventing more cross-border orders from anywhere. Heck, lots of time I see "free shipping anywhere in the US" for something small like a helmet or neck brace, but if you live in Canada, $50. A little excessive. I guess my little rant.

  • David_L6

Posted 02 December 2009 - 05:05 PM

#51

shrubitup said:


It's not like I'm asking them to start selling DEP, Zip Ty racing (which TT sells), Bill's Pipes, Doma, HGS, or other less common exhausts for the smoker. It's a FMF spark arrestor. Seems like a common part to me.

I agree. That's a part that I'd think they would stock. I found out about the Q Stealth here (ThumperTalk) and bought two of them from here. I didn't look for them anywhere else. I was surprised to find out that RM doesn't have them. Oh well.... That's profit they aren't making.

  • David_L6

Posted 02 December 2009 - 05:08 PM

#52

shrubitup said:

Bookmark this link and no more searching. :thumbsup:

http://www.thumperta...php?f=198&a=217

I figured out you could search by category and brand which also worked well for me.


Thank you. :thumbsup:

  • BLACKeR

Posted 02 December 2009 - 05:47 PM

#53

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Just found it odd that they don't support new products that enter the marketplace despite customer demand.

if there was customer demand they WOULD stock it. they dont have unlimited warehouse space, every product they stock takes up space. when times are tight you have to be careful not to stock items you cant sell. i bet they sell more 4-stroke silencers, and make more money on each 4-stroke silencer sold. its dumb to take up space with a low volume 2-stroke silencer, when you can sell lots of 4-stroke silencers with a big mark up. the mark up for a 4-stroke silencer also accounts for the 20% off discount. the more markup the more you can discount it.

the TT store can sell anything, because their warehouse is parts unlimited/tucker rocky.

theres technically a consumer demand for Ferrari's but its low so very few people stock them. it doesnt make any sense to stock low volume items, conversely, everyone sells candy bars and coke. car parts stores, home improvement stores clothing stores, etc you know why? lots of volume and demand.

honestly do they even teach economics anymore?

  • mihylo33

Posted 02 December 2009 - 06:05 PM

#54

Ud_Luz said:

Hmm.... :thinking: That's more than I spent on a new KTM 300xcwe, GasGas EC300 and parts combined in the last 2 years. I'm hard on bikes too. What in the world do you do to your bikes?


I do alot of riding! Frequent topend changes, and I went through 2 trannys this year because I decided to skimp out on $.98 circlip :bonk: broke 2 clutch covers this year etc etc. Plus my son got back into it real heavy so now I really buy alot of parts.

  • shrubitup

Posted 02 December 2009 - 06:05 PM

#55

BLACKeR said:


theres technically a consumer demand for Ferrari's but its low so very few people stock them. it doesnt make any sense to stock low volume items, conversely, everyone sells candy bars and coke. car parts stores, home improvement stores clothing stores, etc you know why? lots of volume and demand.

honestly do they even teach economics anymore?

Good points up until the fact that RM sells 4 two stroke silencers, two of which are spark arrestors.

http://www.rockymoun...ust&webCatId=18

So, the older design and noisier Turbine Core II is more profitable than the Q Stealth? The Turbine Core II Q silencer is also more profitable than a Q Stealth?

So, because they already sell two spark arrestors means there's no customer demand? Are they losing money on the ones they sell now? Prolly not. If they want to sell four then I suggest they rid the Turbine Core II Q and replace it with the Q Stealth. :blah:

  • CamP

Posted 02 December 2009 - 06:21 PM

#56

shrubitup said:

Good points up until the fact that RM sells 4 two stroke silencers, two of which are spark arrestors.

http://www.rockymoun...ust&webCatId=18

So, the older design and noisier Turbine Core II is more profitable than the Q Stealth? The Turbine Core II Q silencer is also more profitable than a Q Stealth?

So, because they already sell two spark arrestors means there's no customer demand? Are they losing money on the ones they sell now? Prolly not. If they want to sell four then I suggest they rid the Turbine Core II Q and replace it with the Q Stealth. :blah:

Did you ever think about the possibility that the current stock of 2T silencers at RM won't be restocked when it's gone? Just because they have it now doesn't mean they'll have it later.

  • shrubitup

Posted 02 December 2009 - 06:29 PM

#57

CamP said:

Did you ever think about the possibility that the current stock of 2T silencers at RM won't be restocked when it's gone? Just because they have it now doesn't mean they'll have it later.
Yes, that's a possibility. If they want to stop selling two stroke parts altogether that's fine too. I had the perception that they carried common parts for both engine types but found out otherwise.

  • CamP

Posted 02 December 2009 - 06:32 PM

#58

shrubitup said:

Yes, that's a possibility. If they want to stop selling two stroke parts altogether that's fine too. I had the perception that they carried common parts for both engine types but found out otherwise.

You can be sure that all the parts distributors and retail dealers are scratching a lot of parts off their catalogs right now. If it doesn't sell fast enough, it's gone.

  • mihylo33

Posted 02 December 2009 - 06:34 PM

#59

shrubitup said:

Yes, that's a possibility. If they want to stop selling two stroke parts altogether that's fine too. I had the perception that they carried common parts for both engine types but found out otherwise.


This reminds me of the same story told over and over again.
Guy walks into his local Yammi dealer to buy a new 09 YZ250. Dealer says he doesn't have any because they don't sell but has 3 yrs of leftover 450's he will sell.....

  • One2nine

Posted 02 December 2009 - 06:44 PM

#60

mihylo33 said:

This reminds me of the same story told over and over again.
Guy walks into his local Yammi dealer to buy a new 09 YZ250. Dealer says he doesn't have any because they don't sell but has 3 yrs of leftover 450's he will sell.....

most dealers tend to overstock new 4t's now. Recently though 250sx's have been going like hot cakes at the local dealer.



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