Regular synthetic motor (auto) oil?
Posted April 27, 2003 - 05:04 PM
Looking for a bit of advice, and hoping to find some "tips" that may allow for me to save some money during the oil change process.
I was wondering if anyone out there uses regular, synthetic automobile oil such as Mobil 1 for the motorcycle oil changes?
I know that that Mobil and many other brands offer synthetic 4-stroke, motorcycle specific motor oils, but I also recognize the increase in price in those products from regular automobile synthetic oil. In addition, I've been told (and I think I understand ) that the needs of the two different machines are slightly different, what with our bikes having a wet clutch and all. I've read the manual, and am very familiar with what Yamaha recommends, but am really asking the question in hopes that I can get some "real world" experience from those that have tried this process. I'm really looking to see what's worked, and what's not worked for people over the years.
I'm quite sure that some of you have done this in the past. It's your experience that I'm hoping to learn from, whether the experience was good or not. I'd really appreciate, if anyone responds, if you could let me know how long you've been using and what effect the oil has had on the performance and longevity of the engine and clutch parts.
Thanks in advance for your comments and advice .
Posted April 27, 2003 - 05:45 PM
Still wondering if people are having long-term success with the car-based synthetic oils. I can assume due to the lack of "counter points" to the car-based side of the argument that it must not be damaging the engines or clutches. Would love to have a couple people comment:
"Yeah, been using it for 2 years and no problems with the clutch!!"... or something like that. A little reassurance from some of the veterans out there is nice for us novice/newbies, that's all.
Found a few bits on information once I looked back within the last year. Found Mobil's motorcycle oil website, not sure if it's a bunch of marketing hype or not, they obviously want folks to buy the motorcycle specific oils.
Posted April 28, 2003 - 06:27 AM
Posted April 28, 2003 - 06:41 AM
Posted April 28, 2003 - 04:42 PM
Thanks for the responses. I understand the whole "opinion" thing, and I appreciate your sharing your personal experience - that's what I'm looking for most .
Seems like it may just be best to find a decent 4-stroke motorcycle oil and stick with it instead of some fancy automobile synthetic that may gum-up the clutch internals.
Anyone else have "opinions" or "real world" experience, don't hesitate to chime in!!
Thanks again - happy riding.
Posted April 29, 2003 - 04:11 AM
Posted April 29, 2003 - 06:32 AM
Posted April 29, 2003 - 08:01 AM
If you want to go a cheaper route Diesel oils such as Chevron Delo 400, Shell Rotella, Mobil Delvac 1.... do not have the Moly component that causes clutch slippage.
THe only damage you are likely to recieve from any oil is clutch slippage as long as you change it regularly. If you don't want to go through clutches don't use auto oils.
Posted April 29, 2003 - 08:05 AM
Posted April 29, 2003 - 07:53 PM
Some people say they havent had any problems, but trust someone who has made the gamble and lost. I bought a new suzuki gsxr-750 and put regular Mobile 1 oil in my bike after break-in. about 2500 KM of high revs and the clutch was toast from the oil. I am not hard on clutches either.
Not worth the risk my friend.
Posted April 30, 2003 - 04:36 AM
This article was written almost 10 years ago, some things have changed as to how much I don't know. I did find this though.........
Okay. Let's start with Mobil 1 MX4T. What does it offer that Mobil 1 for cars doesn't?
Mobil 1 MX4T is designed for sport bikes. Most of these bikes have multi-cylinder/multi-valve engines and use a common sump, which means the engine oil lubricates the engine, transmission and wet clutch. So unlike Mobil 1 for cars, Mobil 1 MX4T has no friction modifiers, which could lead to clutch slippage.
The motorcycle oil also has more phosphorus/zinc for enhanced wear protection at high engine speeds and high loads. Remember, most bikes don’t have catalytic converters, so higher levels of phosphorus are not a problem.
In addition, Mobil 1 MX4T uses different dispersant/detergent technology for better high-temperature performance and engine cleanliness. Mobil 1 MX4T is also offered in a different viscosity grade than Mobil 1 for passenger cars.
Looks like mobile 1 for cars has friction modifiers!
Posted April 30, 2003 - 06:24 AM
Results? And how much for a QT?
Posted April 30, 2003 - 06:54 AM
Posted April 30, 2003 - 02:51 PM
Posted April 30, 2003 - 04:50 PM
Just the sort of range of experiences and responses I was looking for. Thanks to all of you for contributing - it's really helped me make my decision.
I think I'm going to go with the Amsoil motorcycle semi synthetic. Anyone have any suggestions for where to buy this in the least expensive manner (I live in San Diego)?
Posted May 02, 2003 - 03:50 PM
Will sign up for this deal, looks like it can't be beat.