Posted April 22, 2003 - 07:13 PM
Posted April 23, 2003 - 02:46 AM
Posted April 23, 2003 - 03:57 AM
I was just reading about this wonderful concept in the last
AMA Motorcyclist magazine. I'd like to ask you ladies and
gents in CA to do me a favor? When the state opens up that
new land you're being promised, please let me know, OK? I
don't mean when they do minimal maintenance on existing trails
in existing riding areas, I mean when they supply you with
NEW areas as promised. Please, I'd like to document that.
We (Colorado) were given similar promises when they instituted
the OHV sticker program. So far, all I've seen is improvements
(no doubt appreciated) at existing areas, but we're still
LOSING areas to ride.
Posted April 23, 2003 - 04:20 AM
That would certainly be more accurate!
Posted April 23, 2003 - 08:59 AM
I know we got off on the wrong foot on this, But I do agree with you totally on these points. Also Sorry for the past.
With that done.
I read that article in the AMA and was going to scan and post it. What a laughing joke it was. I agree I would love to see that happen, but to take it a step up. In BRC Mag they stated that Calif is in a major Budget crunch right now and is diverting OHV funds to other ares. Go Figure Ya Gray Davis.
All this about Less Sound is fooling the reality of the situation as pointed out by merf and edog.
It sucks. But here is what we are doing in California with the WCTT2 ride. We are starting a a new tradition with the WCTT2, we are holding a Saturday BBQ to benefit the BRC. They need bucks, Do I think the BRC / AMA is looking out for our best interest Yes in a Political way. Every dollar helps. I think the answer is education and involvement.
TT is 20k strong that is allot of votes. It would be a very cool thing to start State by State holding BBQ fund raisers to the local BRC chapters and Special Interests that Fight our fight.
Thats all I am going to say.
Posted April 23, 2003 - 09:28 AM
unfortunately, colorado has more than it's share of the same (hey, i live in boulder county).
however, it cannot be argued that excessive noise is annoying and will make enemies. in other words, it will ALWAYS weight the scale against us. heck, the articles in the previous link document such history. the real 'shame on us' is that it's not necessary.
Posted April 23, 2003 - 12:53 PM
1350cfm, the point is that the sound issue has been looked at. It has not been enforced. The guys that are ruining it for you in your local spot I would strongly suspect are outside of laws that were in place last year and they will continue to violate the new more restrictive law.
Your issue and possible loss of a riding area gets more into people respecting others rights, more so than noise. The guys you describe are horrible for our sport on a whole. The best thing would be for them to find another hobbie or grow up.
Posted April 23, 2003 - 01:00 PM
Less Sound=Keep Ground
I would vote for "enforce the old DB standard = Keep ground"
By that I mean most of the complaints are on the bikes running 110+, some test in the rags have some 4 stroke exhust systems running 118. Now that has been outside of the limits for years but guys still run them.
Now on the responsible front we have manufactures catching up on things and it sounds like there are a few things out there GYT, VOR tip, PMB inserts that are getting the sound down to the legal limit. I hope the companies out there keep moving in this direction. It would be great to take this argument away from the greenies as well as ride a quite bike with performance. But it won't reopen areas and it won't stop the attacks on our sport.
Posted April 23, 2003 - 04:24 PM
> Also Sorry for the past.
No need to apologize Ego. We simply had a disagreement. I'm glad to see we're in agreement about the AMA article though. It was indeed a freakin' joke!
As far as redirection of money for other, more important, projects,
it's not just California that does that... CO has done it too.
And, one last thing, I'm working on a new Vortip type stinger
for my YZ... I'm not totally against quiet bikes, I'm just sick of
the rhetoric that is being force fed to us.
Posted April 24, 2003 - 02:02 AM
Posted April 24, 2003 - 02:56 AM
Posted April 24, 2003 - 10:17 AM
Posted April 24, 2003 - 12:38 PM
1. Any bike older than 1986- 101 dbs and below
2. 1987 and newer- 96 dbs and below
I live in Northern California and in the last month, I have been stopped and tested at every place I've gone riding. It seems that they really mean business. Therefore, I removed my aftermarket pipe and have been riding with my stocker with no worries.
Posted April 24, 2003 - 04:11 PM
My point is if the old standard was enforced, and obeyed we would be fine. The new law wasn't needed, it won't change anything. Enforcement will, which they are going to do now. More so than that the AMA is using the old battle cry of "Less sound=More ground". This isn't going to happen and the people that are politically active agaisnt our sport are still going to be. We gain nothing with the new law.
Posted April 24, 2003 - 04:45 PM
Posted April 24, 2003 - 05:13 PM
Posted April 24, 2003 - 05:21 PM