Posted April 21, 2003 - 05:18 AM
Posted April 21, 2003 - 05:41 AM
Also, they say calif bought a s*#t load of testers at 1400.00 a piece. Sounds like they are serious.I am in big trouble because my DR 350 puts out about 110db. Maybe I should consider putting the exaust back on.
Posted April 21, 2003 - 06:15 AM
Ah yes, your registration and forest adventure pass monies at work. Don't you just love it?
Posted April 21, 2003 - 06:21 AM
Posted April 21, 2003 - 06:43 AM
Posted April 21, 2003 - 08:13 AM
Posted April 21, 2003 - 08:33 AM
So much for Harley's. But think about this as a dirt bike rider.
You can go armed into a court room with the information below (Researched Better) and fight your sound ticket based upon the current laws (I would Guess) 80% of motorcycles on the street do not meet the sound req
Here is a link to the Entire Sound Legislation that was passed/amended.
Calif OHV Sound Req
A link to the OHV Regulation for Ca
OHV Parks California
This was taken from a portion of the street Noise Law for Motorcycles in California. The rest of it ,kinda gets ya a little P.O'd
23130. (a) No person shall operate a motor vehicle under any condition of grade, load, acceleration, or deceleration in such a manner as to exceed the following noise limit for the category of motor vehicle within the speed limits specified in this section:
(2) Any motorcycle other than a motor-driven cycle at a speed limit of 45 or less..... 82 dbA. Any motorcycle other than a motor-driven cycle at a speed limit of 45 or more..... 86 dbA.
( The noise limits established by this section shall be based on a distance of 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel within the speed limit specified in this section. The Department of the California Highway Patrol may provide for measuring at distances other than 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel. In such a case, the measurement shall be corrected so as to provide for measurements equivalent to the noise limit established by this section measured at 50 feet.
23130.5. (a) The noise limits, within a speed zone of 35 miles per hour or less on level streets, or streets with a grade not exceeding plus or minus 1 percent, shall be:
(2) Any motorcycle other than a motor-driven cycle..... 77 dbA
27150.8. The manufacturers of motorcycles and motorcycle accessories shall certify to the department that the exhaust system is in compliance with the standards and regulations adopted by the commissioner.
27200. (a) The Department of Motor Vehicles shall not register on a dealer's report of sale a new motor vehicle which produces a maximum noise exceeding the applicable noise limit at a distance of 50 feet from the centerline of travel under test procedures established by the Department of the California Highway Patrol.
27201. For the purposes of Section 27200, the noise limit of 92 dbA shall apply to any motorcycle manufactured before 1970.
27202. For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise limits shall apply to any motorcycle, other than a motor-driven cycle, manufactured:
(1) After 1969, and before 1973..... 88 dbA
(2) After 1972, and before 1975..... 86 dbA
(3) After 1974, and before 1986..... 83 dbA
(4) After 1985..... 80 dbA
And here is California's Definition of a Motorcycle
[b]Definition of a Motorcycle
400. (a) A "motorcycle" is any motor vehicle having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider, designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground, and weighing less than 1,500 pounds.
( A motor vehicle that has four wheels in contact with the ground, two of which are a functional part of a sidecar, is a motorcycle if the vehicle otherwise comes within the definition of subdivision (a).
© A motor vehicle that is electrically powered, has a maximum speed of 45 miles per hour, and weighs less than 2,500 pounds, is a motorcycle if the vehicle otherwise comes within the definition of subdivision (a).
(d) A farm tractor is not a motorcycle.
(e) A motor vehicle that has an enclosed seating area for the driver and passenger, and is used by local public agencies for the enforcement of parking control provisions, is not a motorcycle.
California Vehicle Code
Ca Vehicle Code
Look for Noise Limits or section 27200-27207
I Love California
Posted April 21, 2003 - 09:17 AM
Posted April 21, 2003 - 09:22 AM
I am no attorney, but any goofball like me can see the loop holes in this
That is just showing the stupidity of this law and the legislation of it all.
Fortunatly the Dirtbikes are not held to the same enforcement or lack of by streetbikes.
Geez could you imagine the back log of cases if Street bike noise was enforced.
Posted April 21, 2003 - 09:34 AM
As far as the difference between license and unlicesed my understanding is that it doesn't matter. What matters is where your going to use it. You can ride till your heart is content on the road, through neighborhoods or what ever but don't go in the forest or public lands.
Posted April 21, 2003 - 09:43 AM
I know you are in law enforcement, I was wondering though based on what I read in the Cal law, is it not a double standard in our CA law on this. Seems to me that the enforcement could be interpreted either way aka Street Bike or Dirt Bike.
I have looked for any information regarding duel sport categories and I can not find anything in that area.
Seems to be a loop hole.
Posted April 21, 2003 - 01:16 PM
Posted April 21, 2003 - 03:57 PM
Posted April 22, 2003 - 03:25 PM
What is the big battle cry of the argument for quite bikes? "Less sound=More ground". Tell me do you really think we are going to get more ground by making our bikes quiter? Not a chance. The people that are true activist against dirtbike access use this as one argument, if the bikes put out 0 sound they would be back to thier bigger arguments of trail erosion and our harm to critters in woods.
Point 2. The old sound restrictions are a few DB higher and easier to meet with the technology thats out there. Are we going to change peoples minds because we are now a few DB lower?? Again not a chance.
Should the old level be enforced, absolutly. Most of the bikes that people find offensive are the ones making noise in the 110+ range. These guys should get their acts together because they hurt us all.
Now with this in mind don't get me wrong I prefer a quite bike, it's more comfortable to ride for long periods. We as responsible multi use forest users should do what we can to let everyone enjoy the woods. But lets not sell ourselves out either with the fairy tale of "Less sound=More ground" will make all the enemies of dirtbikes go away.
Posted April 22, 2003 - 03:44 PM