Guilty as charged!
Posted April 02, 2003 - 09:19 AM
This is the FIRST time I have been lashed out at by a fellow dirt bike rider concerning trail systems, hunting seasons, logging road issues, noise and MY right to ride.
Posted April 02, 2003 - 10:00 AM
Posted April 02, 2003 - 10:06 AM
Posted April 02, 2003 - 10:32 AM
Posted April 02, 2003 - 10:35 AM
When done in a responsible manner, hunting serves a very real need in controlling big game population since most predators have been eliminated.
Hunting season for big game here in Colorado lasts from the beginning of August till the end of December. I realize that each guy only gets a week but that's irrelevant considering the fact that the season is 5/12 of the year depending on the area. To completely stay out of the forest for that time is unreasonable. I can guarantee you that there are at least as many non hunters in the forested areas as there are hunters with people hiking, 4-wheeling, fishing, mountain biking, motorcycling, etc. I find your statement "riding during elk season is just plain disrespectful" very biased and completely unrealistic. It's just as disrespectful for hunters like us to lay claim to the entire area for our own interests.
I agree that you need to be respectful of all groups, hikers, hunters, mountain bikers, horse riders, etc. I try to be as multi use friendly as possible and so far in my 26 years of riding it's worked out pretty well for me.
By the way, I just sent in for my tags yesterday.
Just my $0.02
Colorado Season Dates
Posted April 02, 2003 - 10:37 AM
Lets all be friends and be nice to each other.
I'll sing the first verse of Kumbaya.
Posted April 02, 2003 - 11:03 AM
I just want to make a few points here and then lay off this whole thing. FTD, you put this post up to get feedback and you did, supportive and non-supportive. In fact, your exact question was something along the lines of "should I feel guilty". This is in fact a great discussion because both sides have chimed in just about equally and opinions can be developed on your own, not by stereotypes. Take it for what it is because you asked for it. No bad will wanted here, so I appologize for any anger I may have caused. Just look at it as differing opinions.
1. I am a dirtbiker and a hunter and can see both sides to this argument. However, I know of dozens of places to ride that aren't hunted areas. I don't ride in the high country during rifle season because it's just plain dangerous. I don't recall seeing hunters at Rampart, Sugarloaf, Lefthand Canyon, Pueblo or any of the local tracks around Denver during season and I'm sure someone could provide a list for Idaho as well.
2. The sterotypical hunter does no doubt exist, but he is much less prevelant than the sterotypical dirtbiker.
3. vmax, I would be willing to bet that there are more hunters in the woods on any given day during rifle season than any other single endeavor that day - skiing included. Don't forget this state's economy is impacted much more by hunting than skiing, that is unless you like making Vail Associates wealthier by buying $7 hot dogs, instead of a small town dinner in one of the countless hunting towns in the state). By the way, CWD has never had a case of human infection (not saying I'm still not respectful of it).
4. When a riding area is closed, don't wonder who did it. You will find that this is probably one of the few times the sportsman's lobby teams up with the "green" lobby, making a pretty formidable foe. The main point I was trying to get across in this whole mess is that if you're going to ride at those times, realize in the long run, you're going to lose that area to ride because you're pissing people off. The trend today is closing down riding areas, all dirtbikers know that. I see posts all the time about closures, so why perpetuate it, when you could just ride somewhere else? I want to keep riding through the beautiful and challenging high country and that's not going to happen if you piss off the "giant" that has more power than dirtbikers ever will.
Posted April 02, 2003 - 11:31 AM
By the way, CWD has never had a case of human infection (not saying I'm still not respectful of it).
There are a few medical personnel in Denver that will debate that issue. We lost a member of our staff to an unknown disease. The medical professionals were tracking the cause very carefully because the effects were very similar to a human form of CWD.
So please be very careful and have the meat tested!!
Posted April 02, 2003 - 06:31 PM
You guys got other places to ride around there I'm gussing, right. I know it kind of bits, but it's sort of a respect for what others do kind of situation, we ask as much. BUT, I totally understand where your coming from, the trails are open for riding, and on that front your comitting no bad ju ju.
In a previous life living in South Dakota, I was an avid hunter of both big and small game. Never ran into a 4-stroke cruzing through where I was hunting, but since the hunting season is only a month out of the year, I might hope that I could hunt in peace for the weekend I get a year.
Don't feel bad, just understand that they get this one or two weekends out of a year.
Posted April 03, 2003 - 06:14 AM
In a typical year, Colorado has 12 million skier days a year. On skier day equates to one lift ticket. According to snowjournal.com, Skiers spend about $1.7 billion in Colorado, which has an estimated $4.2 billion economic impact for the state.
I find it hard to believe that hunters have a higher economic impact on our state than skiers. I've lived in Colorado since 1977 and skiing has always been the largest sector of tourism here. Total hunting permits in Colorado were less than 533,000 in 2001. This would mean each hunter would need to spend over $8,000 to equal $4.2 billion that skiers spend.
On top of that, 30% of the total hunting licenses are non-resident. This means that they have no say as to how the land in Colorado is used. This leaves 377,000 registered, Colorado Hunters. Many of which own 4-wheel drives and atv's so closing areas to their use hurts them as well.
When I was referring to people who are using the forest land, I'm not saying one specific group has more people than hunters. I'm talking about all users versus hunters on any given day. Although, when you look at the fact that there are 12 million skier days divided by say 6 months (180 days) worth of skiing, it means that each day has around 67,000 skiers. The total hunting permits were only 533,000, or around 8 skier days.
2001 Hunting Stats by State
Posted April 03, 2003 - 01:17 PM
Posted April 04, 2003 - 03:37 AM
You're correct that skiing is Colorado's top revenue generator. Going back about 15 years hunting was number 1. Skiing has taken over with hunting second and tourism comes in at number three.
As far as riding and hunting, mutal respect is the word. I ride and hunt. During hunting season I take my ATV but, it stays in camp until I need it to go after a downed animal. The national forest is there for all of us. We need to show respect for all users of this resource.
Posted April 04, 2003 - 03:56 AM
Posted April 04, 2003 - 05:37 AM
What do you think Dr. Watson?
Posted April 06, 2003 - 05:58 PM
Guess my job! Not only did I move to Colorado from the Idaho Panhandle, I hunt and recreate in the motohead way, and work for the Man.
Some ground rules,
Bikes passing horses from behind,stay behind a ways until there is an area for the horse riders to pull off, then putt-putt past.
Head-on, turn off the bike and get to the downhill side, start up again after they are past 50 yards away.
Hiker's- just slow down and let them get off the trail, and ride by and wave.
Mountain bikes-seems to me for some reason they can't hear us well, if passing from behind wait until there is an area to for them to pull off, then go.
For the guys that ride in Stanely, ID. Ride where you ride, but maybe you guys should take the families to Utah or Nevada and explore new places that week. Call whatever agency that adminsters the land and ask for alternatives. Talk to the Law Enforcement Officer or Travel Management or Trails Staff.
Waiting for the bikes.
Posted April 07, 2003 - 06:10 AM