Guilty as charged!
Posted March 30, 2003 - 06:08 AM
Posted March 30, 2003 - 07:07 AM
Posted March 30, 2003 - 07:21 AM
Posted March 30, 2003 - 07:22 AM
Posted March 30, 2003 - 07:51 AM
Here in Michigan we have firearm deer season for two weeks in November. Can't ride at all during the season. Even if we could I would pass. Making guys with guns mad is a bad idea. I also think we should give them the woods for this short period of time.
Posted March 31, 2003 - 08:56 AM
Then, when we were riding out, his truck was on the side of the road, and he was "hunting" about 30 yards off it it. In an area that was open for hunting miles by square miles. As we went by, he stood up and glared at us. Kinda made me chuckle.
When I encounter horses on the trail, I shut off and let them pass, when I see bikers, they usually stop and pull thier bike off the trail as I pass. Conflicts happen, it is all in how you deal with it. As long as you are not staying in the area, purposfully "rev'in" the engine, or honking horns, I think that they are usually pretty tolerant.
If they are going to "hunt" within sight of thier truck (or beer cooler, if that is the case) then they should expect other public land users. If they get stressed over it, well, that is their issue.
Posted March 31, 2003 - 10:28 AM
Posted March 31, 2003 - 10:32 AM
Posted March 31, 2003 - 11:17 AM
Another way to look at it is should they hunt in your riding area?
Posted April 02, 2003 - 05:45 AM
First and foremost, riding during hunting season is just plain dangerous. A .308 can travel for miles and can punch through trees, etc. You may get hit from a shot taken miles away - you just never know.
To all you guys that call hunters "crazy", etc., you are sadly misinformed and obviously sterotypical. I know that seeing a dirtbiker won't send me off into a murderous rampage and start leading all of you out, although I would be pissed and would probably have some words for you on the trail. Hell, I give shitty looks to hunters on ATV's, partly because they are cheaters, but mostly because I know that when they are around, there isn't an animal within miles of me. How can you stereotype a group when you are a member of a group that is largely negatively stereotyped (newsflash, no one likes the sound of a dirtbike, except a biker) Judging from what I know, there are more ethical hunters than ethical dirtbikers around these parts.
Secondly, riding during elk season is just plain disrespectful. I know it's your right, but would it be too much to lay off for a week and let the hunters have their day (week). They get one week a year to satisfy a love that is more beloved than the desire of 99% of the dirtbikers that I know. Before you say, "you're riding with the wrong guys", tell me if you freeze your ass off in the middle of the winter to ride your dirtbike for a week straight. Tell me the last time your buddies called wanting to ride and the the response was "I gotta work",
You could go to the track or you could just lay off for a week. So, the answer to your question, "Should you feel guilty?" The answer is unequivically, YES. If you're going to ride during their hunting season, then don't bitch the next time one of your riding areas gets closed. There are a lot more politicians, police officers, etc. that are hunters than dirtbikers. So with that said, they are the ones ultimately making the decision on what lands to close to dirtbiking, in order to make hunting and other forms of recreation a more enjoyable experience. So, you reap what you sow.
Sorry if I upset anyone, but I just applied for my tags and "buck fever" has set in. I will be dirtbiking all summer, but just to pass the time until opening day...
Posted April 02, 2003 - 06:33 AM
an intelligent and informed opinion!
Posted April 02, 2003 - 07:06 AM
Posted April 02, 2003 - 07:16 AM
Colorado only has 1 week to bag an animal? You must have TONS of game or minimal hunters. People here take 3 weeks of vacation to find the bag they want. I guess the repopulation of the grey wolf in the Stanley basin wasn't such a good idea huh?
Posted April 02, 2003 - 08:05 AM
Posted April 02, 2003 - 08:07 AM
Another huge hole in your argument is that not all hunters go for the "big boys" up top. Some only have a cow tag (again, thanks to all the out-of-staters filling up the quoatas) and hunt much lower for this quary. We don't all have the luxury of walking 50 yards to the barn to fatten up Brutus on corn and molasass-laced hay. Some people hunt for this meat store and your screwing with their family eating.
I'm sorry, but you don't know what your talking about. Perhaps I could claim that because you ride a dirtbike, you go off trail, tearing up land or sneak on private land to "poach a sweet trail". But I won't because I don't and I'm also a dirtbiker. However, rest assured that there are many non-riding, important, decision making people out there that think this to be the case.
You can argue all you want, but those individuals only have a week to fullfill their dreams, you have all spring and summer to fullfill yours. Don't be bitch when some Idaho senator introduces and passes a bill to shut down your favorite high-country riding spots because you pissed him off when he was out on his "once-in-a-lifetime hunt". It can happen because it's happening here. One of the best riding spots west of Denver (Kingston Peak) is going to be affected because James Peak was designated a wilderness area and that's going to affect the riding access. You wanna know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna put away my dirtbike away and pick up my rifle because the elk are going to move in and there's going to be one happy lawmaker and a bunch more happy hunters.
Posted April 02, 2003 - 08:28 AM
uuummmmmm......don't we have a bow season that starts around late august? Followed by a black powder season in september? Followed by a rifle season for 3 differnt weeks in oct and november? Then isnt there a....private property season in December? And all of these seasons specifically geared towards deer and elk?
I really could be wrong on this. It's been 5yrs since I took to the woods, but, I dont think so.
I would agree that everyone that uses the forest needs to respect the rights of others. But, at the sametime, I have come blasting down a trail only to have a deer standing there in amazement at my unique riding skills. If there are bikes there and have been for awhile then I dont think a bike would be a change for their environment.
Just my opinion
Posted April 02, 2003 - 08:31 AM
Posted April 02, 2003 - 09:08 AM
colorado. your informed and logical arguement is meaningless here.
Posted April 02, 2003 - 09:15 AM
My point is, if a hunter is going to hunt by a designated trail, he or she should expect some traffic on that trail that come in a sort of a motor attatched to it and yes, sir, it will make noise. I will respectfully conclude my post at this time.