YZ450 or WR450
Posted May 16, 2009 - 06:57 AM
Posted May 16, 2009 - 07:34 AM
Tough choice, no simple answer. I wish there were a model in between, frankly.
- Better base suspension
- Excellent handling
- Adequate top speed with stock gearing (AL 5 speed models)
- Close ratio trans limits effectiveness in tight sections versus high speed sections and makes gearing selection a problem
- Lack of electrical power for lights and difficulty in adding it on
- Power is "high strung" at low speeds, although manageable
- No e-start
- Wide ratio trans covers a broader speed range from tight sections to lake beds
- Powerful base electric system expandable to over 100 watts for running lights
- Smooth at low RPM
- Less power (easily correctable)
- Base suspension needs work
If the lighting issue isn't important, and you don't care about the starter, it would be cheaper to add the wide ratio trans to a YZ.
Posted May 16, 2009 - 10:16 AM
Posted May 16, 2009 - 07:58 PM
When its time for total rebuild I'll put a WR trans in it. Its getting close.: )
Posted May 16, 2009 - 08:41 PM
The WR takes a little more time to set-up than the YZ due to the emissions and other things you havw to rip off and throw in the garbage.
I like both of the bikes for differnt reasons, but my prefernce is the WR with YZ cams and e-batt dry cell battery for lighter weight. It is cheaper to go that route rather than put WR cams and tranny in the YZ, plus you get the magic button!
Posted May 16, 2009 - 09:54 PM
IMO, the close ratio trans of the YZ is a greater handicap in A than in the lower classes. (talking about desert racing here, as that is the OP's subject). Lighting a YZ well enough to race Expert at night can be a deal breaker. Not that a YZ can not be competitive, of course. But the WR's suspension and power can both be brought up to levels that are equal to a good modified YZ. True, the WR pales in a stock for stock comparison, but it is still good basic material for the purpose, if you ask me. The weight is less a handicap in the desert than in MX, or even Hare Scrambles.
If you race ... "A" level you Need a YZ.
YZ at Expert level because less weight and superior suspension.
There are a couple of nearly stock WR's racing in D38, in fact, and they do pretty well. As for what's needed to win at the Expert level, overall or within a class, look what the fast guys are on at the next race. It's still 75% rider.
Posted May 17, 2009 - 08:23 PM
Posted January 23, 2011 - 12:47 PM
Posted January 23, 2011 - 03:53 PM
I feel the yz makes a much better offroad bike than a wr.
I ride single track and desert. The wr flat wears you out where's the yz does not.
The yz does fine with a pipe,06 cdi and a Rekluse Pro.
Posted March 27, 2013 - 09:49 AM
'10+ models need to change the output shaft due to a splining change, but can be converted, also.
Posted March 27, 2013 - 09:55 AM
I was in the same boat as you about 6 months ago. WR or YZ? I ride primarily singletrack and occasional desert ride so the WR would be perfect. When I compared the two side by side the WR would be a perfect only bike. It has everything I needed and was going to have to add to the YZ. Except for the 30 pounds of weight, I'd have to try to remove that from the WR. I was even considering removing the e-start and battery from the WR to drop weight. I'll only buy a FI bike so the 12 WR was the only choice. I searched around for clean, used 2010+ YZs and 2012 WRs. There are no used 2012 WRs for sale so when I found a 2011 YZ with less than an hour use I bought it right away. The difference in what I paid for the YZ to a new WR have paid for the 18" real wheel, lights, flywheel and one day I'll try swapping the transmission.
The YZ is certainly limited in the transmission, but that was expected going in. Everything else is perfect. Very happy with the backwards engine YZ.
Posted March 27, 2013 - 09:00 PM
Solution :- bought a GasGas Ec300 for trail / tight tech stuff.
Both low hours.
Best part, cost me less than 1 brand new bike.
Posted March 29, 2013 - 12:32 PM
Posted March 29, 2013 - 07:59 PM
Works great on a 450 with all that useable power. Definitely worth some serious thought .
Posted March 31, 2013 - 10:22 AM
Posted March 31, 2013 - 11:28 AM
Went out for a ride yesterday with a friend who has a '12 Wr, 1200k on clock, all nicely run in suspension & engine wise ( NBC: gearbox's on these are TIGHT new ).
Suspension: an absolute delight.
Front forks: takes the square edge hits amazingly. Tracks perfectly through rutted, rooty, rocky trail trash. Of the few jumps on the trail took them without any fuss- plush. It carved the sand sections, just throw it in/ get a bit of wash out and just gas it to get it pointing in the right direction.
Rear suspension: it's a Yamaha , not much more to say really. New shock does an awesome job, hooks up, tracks and just eats up the trail, including the numerous whoop sections I went through ( aprox 100 metre sections continuous ).
Engine: running the "Woods map" , now that the motor has "loosened up" this map works very well in the tight stuff and just open the throttle right up for the open stuff, a great all rounder. Good stall resistance , pretty lively when you give it some throttle and very manageable . Had zero problems starting with the E leg.
Of special note: when you the gearboxes on these feel knotchy and are an absolute pr@ck to find neutral ( I've assembled / ridden more than one ), after 1200k's - slick, light changes and no problem at all snicking neutral when stationary.
Handling: precise, stable, planted and a nice light feel to it.
Con: felt heavy at a stand still BUT once you get moving it honestly just disappears!!! I personally feel that the extra weight is what contributes to such a plush, planted and controlled ride.
I am seriously considering if I "trailise" my '11 YZ or just trade on a new Wr, I was honestly that impressed ! :-)
And before anyone asks, no I am not a hard and fast Yamaha guy, I swapped rides with my GG this day and own another brand again of road bike. BUT Yamahas have served me well over the years, some of my best memories have been on them ;-)
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