How to measure piston to valve clearance?


6 replies to this topic
  • Kman415

Posted 14 May 2009 - 06:54 PM

#1

I was told to measure piston to valve clearance when installing my hotcams because I put in the 290 JE BB kit. Can someone tell me where to measure that and how? I know the required distance, as specified by Hotcams. Thanks!

Visit the ThumperTalk Store for the lowest prices on motorcycle / ATV parts and accessories - Guaranteed
  • MxDonk

Posted 14 May 2009 - 09:21 PM

#2

The clearance between head and piston is called squish, and the way You measure it is take some playdough and put it at the front and rear of the piston. Rotate the motor through a complete cycle and then remove the head, scrape the playdough off the piston carefully and then measure the thickness. I really am not sure how you would measure actual valve to piston clearance... but if there is a sufficient amount of squish you will be ok because at tdc the valves are closed.

  • YZ KLX Rider

Posted 14 May 2009 - 09:42 PM

#3

hahahahahaha that was funny with the play dough

  • ep87

Posted 14 May 2009 - 09:49 PM

#4

I agree play dough, modeling clay, thats how it's done.:doh:

  • davidl9999

Posted 14 May 2009 - 09:56 PM

#5

I'd much rather use a dial indicator and measure it directly like in this link:
http://www.rehermorr...techTalk/41.htm
but not everyone has the tools for that.
After measuring the distance each valve moves until it contacts the piston, install the cams and setup the valve shims.
Now put the dial gauge on the cam lobe and measure how far the dial gauge moves from the valve fully closed (back of the cam) to fully open (lobe of the cam).
STOP if any valve contacts the piston. You won't hurt anything is you spin the engine slowly by hand near TDC.
Now, SUBTRACT the distance each valve moves from the cam from the distance the valve moves before it contacts the piston, and ADD the valve shim clearance.
As long as that value is larger than the minimum valve clearance spec'd by the cam mfr., you're okay. :doh:

Yes, it's a car link, but that's the technique I learned years ago sans dinging the pistons with a punch... :banana: and it works great on any engine from bikes to pushrod engines to DOHC import race engines. In any case, there's some useful info on "good" vs. "bad" piston and valve relief geometry. The benefit to this method is that if you're simply checking for "enough" clearance, you only have to install the head, cams, and shims once. :lol:

For those of us who have more time on our hands than cash and tools, here are some alternative methods:

Use some solder. Rosin core, .031" - .020" dia, larger if need be (if it's really thick, it's hard to squish, so use playdough if you have to - see below). Lay it out like a coil in each of the valve reliefs on the piston. (this is different than measuring "squish on a 2T). Be sure that the solder goes all the way into the center of the deepest edge of the valve relief. You'll need 5 of these coils.

OR

lay the solder across the piston so that it crosses the valve reliefs at the "center" of the deepest part of the relief. Coils are much easier because they will "find" the center of the relief (imo).
Torque the head and install the cams as you normally would.
Rotate the engine through a complete cycle (2 full turns) so the cams turn 1 rev.
Remove the head, remove the solder.
Use a micrometer to find the thinnest point on the solder that has been squished by the valves. That will be your clearance.

Yes, the playdough way works too, You roll it into little "snakes" and drape it across the reliefs and in the squish (edge) of the piston. Measure it the same way. Solder is easier because it doesn't deform as much when you remove it from the piston.

You can use Plastigage too, but it's more expensive than solder although you don't need to measure it with a mic - it comes with a paper gauge that you match the squish to. Kinda nifty. :snore:


Another method:
Put playdough on the piston in the reliefs. Install the head and valvetrain as above and crank the engine through a full cam rotation.
Use a depth micrometer to stab at the playdough in the thinnest spot so the part of the mic that sticks out just barely touches the squished surface of the playdough when the flat part of the mic is flat on the top of the piston. Then extend the mic until the moving part touches the piston surface. Subtract the smaller number from the larger and that's the clearance. Digital mics with thin depth tips are really useful for this method. Don't rock or shake the mic or you'll be way off on the measurement. A calibrated eyeball is needed when finding the top surface of the squished playdough...

  • William1

Posted 15 May 2009 - 05:30 AM

#6

A little additional info for the clay/solder methods.

Be sure to use gaskets (ideal your old ones) on the base and head. Torque the head just as you would normally. If you use new gaskets, they cannot be used for anything else other than rechecking V to H clearances.
Once torqued on, they cannot be used in a engine.

  • Kman415

Posted 15 May 2009 - 08:48 AM

#7

This has helped all a bunch guys! Thanks for youyr input and support!




 
x

Join Our Community!

Even if you don't want to post, registered members get access to tools that make finding & following the good stuff easier.

Register Close
If you enjoyed reading about "" here in the ThumperTalk archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join ThumperTalk today!

The views and opinions expressed on this page are strictly those of the author, and have not been reviewed or approved by ThumperTalk.