Does anyone else think quads are wrecking trails?
Posted September 02, 2002 - 06:02 PM
They've cleared untold miles of trails along creek and riverbeds and have helped open up existing trails that had been overgrown.
They almost always pull over to let us pass when we ride up on them.
They always have a cold drink or a beer and will usually offer one when your out in the middle of nowhere.
They all seem to have the same mindset on gear. NONE! I can't believe some of the young crazies.
Jumping banksand dunes, flying down trails or the street on high performance quads in sneakers and a tanktop.
When one of them tells his buddy "hold my beer and watch this" you'll either see a good jump or high speed creek crossing or an even better crash.
When talking to the older ones about the lack of equipment they say we don't ride like that and these are alot safer than dirtbikes.
They outnumber us here 50 to 1 at any of these riding areas. 40 of them are dad, mom and/or kids, sometimes all on the same machine, and the other 10 are major partying young people.
I like to think I get along with all of them but have had a few runins with the young ones who have a lack of respect for other people with their unsafe operating or their poor manners around my or others children.
I sincerely believe that if they can form an entity like the AMA, we'd have an ally with a sport that has many more members.
There has, and always will be, strength in numbers.
All in all, 95% of them are okay by me.
Just my .02
Posted September 02, 2002 - 06:04 PM
land that we share as off road users.
Posted September 02, 2002 - 06:13 PM
Posted September 03, 2002 - 04:32 AM
Posted September 03, 2002 - 04:56 AM
Most quad riders that we do come across though have been very nice, pull off trails to let us by and offer soft drinks or water on hot days. They have also pulled us out of some serious mud holes and other stupid things we have done.
As much as I HATE government regulation an ATV safety and registration program similiar to many states hunter safety education program might not be a bad idea.
Posted September 03, 2002 - 05:14 AM
But, I must relate a topical story.
I was riding in a sandy, desert-esque area that had whoops, hillclimbs, pits and the such. I was tooling around, and came up to a dude on a KX500. It was a beast of a machine, so I went up to talk to him. He started to say that he has been here for years upon years, and that the "damn 125's" are tearing this place up. They have to wind those things so tight that they are tearing up the place.
Couple of minutes later I run into a guy riding on a CR125, and he is getting after it. We stop next to each other, and he starts bad mouthing the big bores. "Those big 500's just reak havoc out here..."
I think that we all may be a little guilty of finger pointing. It is very easy to blame all the problems on the other users, while holding ourselves accountable is a little more difficult.
Not solving any issues with this post, just sharing a couple of stories that I have heard.
Posted September 03, 2002 - 08:11 AM
I must say most quad riders have been generous enough to let us through when approached. What is scary is meeting them on a two way trail in a fast section. They weigh considerably more and the consequences of colliding in the backwoods with a quad don't exactly excite me. Always ride with a light on if you got one, I have found that you can usually pick it out through the trees way farther away and that can prepare you for passing by them.
In short, no I don't like quads on single tracks but they have plenty of other areas to ride with the snowmobile system (in michigan anyway)which appears to be more suited to the vehicle.
Posted September 03, 2002 - 02:58 PM
Posted September 03, 2002 - 05:00 PM
Posted September 03, 2002 - 08:41 PM
Posted September 04, 2002 - 05:51 AM
Now this is an area That a few of us ride every month. The trails are awesome.....
However...Look at the advertisements for this place...Red Neck Heaven...Pay close attention to the photos and the lack of helmets ...(Especially the Moron coming off the jump), and the Helmet Requirements posted on the site...
Posted September 04, 2002 - 11:14 AM
They make and maintain most of the trails out there.
They can winch you out of the lake when you try to hydroplane through it and dont quite make it . Dont ask !
They are great cooler holders and you can pack many cold beers in said cooler so you dont have to haul them .
Bad points are,
They are Slow.
They kick up TONS of DUST!!!!
They make ruts in muddy trails that bikes get railed into.
The no helmet wife beater wearing squids make a bad name for the rest of us 2 or 4 wheels.
That being said, the key to living with them is to understand three main points about them.
1. Quad riders can often be coraled in what is called a squid pit or sand pit. Its basicly the bigest sand like hill climb in the riding area and it is where the quad riders will gravitate to and spend 80% or more of there time getting drunk and going up and down the hill.
2. Quads HATE water and mud, have you ever seen how much water those thing throw up infront of them????
3. Quads HATE BIG rocks. Big rocks, tip quads, rip the tires off their rims, and bash there low ground clearance frames, suspensions, and drives to a pulp!!!
Once you know these simple facts, avoiding the quads is simple, stay away from the squid pits, and ride the creek beds or the areas furthest from the pitts. Because of the fact that quad riders often spend so much time at the squid areas, they tend to have bad navigation skills and will not venture to far from the safty of the squid schools or breeding grounds.
I do see alot of quad riders with no helmet, no shirt, and wearing sandles. It dose not bother me. I avoid them when I want to go fast and ride with them when I want to putt around and go site seeing.
Bike riders are outnumbered in my riding area about 25 to 1 or more.
The state (Pa) and riding area I ride in is cracking down on the squids. Quands must be registered, and insured. Bikes dont have to be. The one area I ride has simple rules, You must have helmet, pants, boots, and long sleeve shirt, Only 1 rider per ATV, cell phone, and the quads have to get a big gay flag bolted to the tail bar . Me, I just get a tag on my brake line . That right there and the strict enforcement keeps the squids at bay, but the fact that that area also has very rockey 4X4 trails makes it a very nice bike ridng area, however, they also require you ride in groups of no less than 2, but they have not given me a hard time about ripping around out there by myself. The land owners also seem to treat me with great respect because I am on a bike, even the Quad guys seem to, but maybe its just cause I look like I know what Im doing because I were correct protective gear or that I sit about 4 feet higher than they do .
In the end I feel the awnser is not to ban them, they are in fact the new majority, we must try to welcome them and organize them into a useful responsible lobby like the AMA. I feel it is up to the land owners, public and private, to establish and enforce the rules. As for the way the Quads rut the trails,,, its just part of learning to ride the terain, the WR has such sweet suspension compared to my older bikes I can move in and out of the ruts at will and even ride between them !!!
Posted September 04, 2002 - 11:35 AM
<ul type="square">[*]Why do the parents of these kids let them ride around the camp sites like its there own race track
[*]Why do parents stand there like they just ate a Poop sandwhich, with their kids are raising heck through the camp sites
[*]And why do the parents of these kids argue with you when you ask for them to stop their kids from doing the above
[ September 04, 2002, 02:38 PM: Message edited by: E.G.O.**** ]
Posted September 04, 2002 - 12:28 PM
Posted September 04, 2002 - 12:57 PM
Wow! Not a good sight.
I know it’s probably hot where those people are riding, but still…
The dad needs a good kick in the a$$.
Posted September 04, 2002 - 01:19 PM
Posted September 04, 2002 - 04:41 PM
I don't think anyone took your post as anti ATV'rs and if you believe we're flaming your post I'd say you need to take a chill pill.
Different topographies offer varied results with 2 vs 4 wheeled off road vehicles.
Where I live the quad crew has opened up a bunch of new riding areas by bushwacking the thick riverbottom forest with their ATV's.
They've made trails where nobody would of ever gone on bikes before. We've got alot of sandy creek/riverbottom and side trails and those machines are in their element there. When we get our next good rain they will fill with water. After a week or so without rain we can ride the trails. They have become almost virgin trails again.
I'm sorry to hear that they've caused permanent damage to your riding areas trails.
Educating them will definately be a tough task.
It looks to me like they love MUD, BEER, and NO GEAR all over the country.
This is a crowd who probably doesn't care about whats happening to your favorite trail, no matter how long you've ridden it.
Sometimes equal rights for all, comes at more of a cost for others.
Good Luck with your saving your favorite trails.
Posted September 04, 2002 - 07:53 PM
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