Posted March 04, 2003 - 05:37 PM
I must not have explained myself properly, my idea was not to put a hitch on the front of the truck...on the contrary...
My idea was to add another receiver to the bike carrier. With a light weight trailer I don't see how this would pose any load problems. If the carrier slid into the receiver on the vehicle, then another hitch could be slid into a 'new' reciever on the carrier, now you could tow the trailer with the bike carrier attached to the back of the truck.
This would also allow for standard use of the bike carrier when the trailer was not being used and would not alter the reciever on the vehicle allowing it to tow heavier loads (I believe the typical rating on a 2" receiver is 5000#?, not tongue wieght but GVW of load).
As for liability...you'd be on your own. Clearly this would void the factory rated uses for either product.
Moving the axle on the trailer and installing a new reciever to it's back end is also a great idea with a similar result...even better when you consider the tongue weight issue.
My theory on the tongue weight stems from my personal experience with 'pop-top' campers...there isn't much tongue weight. Towing a heavier trailer with this modified bike carrier would be a bad idea. Look at the spec's for a reciever, I believe it states a max. tongue weight too.
Posted March 04, 2003 - 05:46 PM
Isn't brainstorm engineering a riot
Posted March 04, 2003 - 06:26 PM
the versahaul is similar to my design.the only difference is the mesh grate platform for extra payload.
i would only do the bike carrier in front of the trailer, if the hitch was an extremely heavy duty hitch. I would also use a solid square bar from the hitch , across the bike carrier,to the camper hitch.
we did not factor in the use of the lighting connection for the camper...
i have this philosophy about hitches and trailers.. never take for granted that the customer will use the products within their limits...thus the liability issue...
duh ... I don't know why it broke off... i was only tryin to get my buds 4 ton deisel 4x4 out of a mud bog..... and she just broke off. I guess the weld was defective....
I try to avoid that situation... i call it the hammerhead factor....
Posted March 04, 2003 - 06:36 PM
My idea was to add another receiver to the bike carrier. With a light weight trailer I don't see how this would pose any load problems.
A good idea, but keep in mind that increasing the distance between the hitch and rear axle will increase the load borne by the rear axle and suspension of the truck. A reasonable tongue wt. for an S-10 should be around 500 lbs, if not less, so we don't have a lot of extra capacity to burn here.
Another problem I have with putting the bike between trailer and truck is damage to the bike in the event of a jacknife.
So my vote is for receiver on the trailer and mount a carrier to haul it back there.
To solve the problem of these carriers rocking left and right due to slack between the receiver and carrier mount you can drill a hole and weld a bolt to the receiver and install a set screw to retain the mount inside the receiver.
Posted March 04, 2003 - 07:01 PM
The jackknife issue is a good one, though having the bike hiding at the far end of the train exposes it to poor distance judgement while backing up 'straight'. Watching people operate their vehicles with a trailer regularly proves amusing. It's too easy to buy a new toy, hook it up and drive away...all with little thought to the added skill required to manuever.
Posted March 04, 2003 - 07:26 PM
1st you gotta let me in on the 'In reply to' copy/paste.
I click the "reply" link, select the text I wanna copy from the bottom of the "reply" page, hit Ctrl-C, then click the "Quote" link on the same page (just below the box where you enter your reply). Then put the cursor between the:
thingies and hit Ctrl-V (paste).
Watching people operate their vehicles with a trailer regularly proves amusing.
Tell me about it. But my humor is tempered by the fact that, despite a lifetime of experience with securing loads and pulling heavy, long, trailers I myself am not immune to the occasional brain-fart. My tail gate has the damage to prove it, as I once drove out from under an as yet unhitched goose-neck trailer w/ my gate up (long story, but it happens).
Posted March 04, 2003 - 07:47 PM
My tail gate has the damage to prove it
thanks! I believe I've got it.
Let's see...I've got a garage door that reminds me regularly how close too close is, and there was a dent in my tail gate that helped measure the height of the tongue jack. I'm sure there's more if I really thought about it; no shame in being human; makes for fun stories.
Posted March 04, 2003 - 07:56 PM
Posted March 04, 2003 - 07:59 PM
did it work?
haha i got it too.
your never too old to learn new tricks
Posted March 04, 2003 - 08:49 PM
there was a dent in my tail gate that helped measure the height of the tongue jack
Off topic, but I can't resist because I can easily top that:
Some years ago I was pulling a hay wagon (four wheels, no tongue weight) out of a wet field up a small incline to the road with a Chevy Blazer. I almost made it up but I got stuck. So I take the pin out of the hitch and try to get the Blazer out of the field and up on the road while unencumbered by the wagon.
I figure I'll get on dry ground and pull the wagon out with a chain. I can be so clever that way.
It almost worked, but just as I was about to get the rear wheels of the Blazer up and out of the muddy field I lost traction and slid back into the hay wagon. And the tongue of the wagon went right through the tail gate. The window was down and bits of glass were everywhere.
I have many other similar stories, but I only deliver these things on an "as-needed" basis.
Posted March 05, 2003 - 04:43 AM
Brand new Yukon Denali (work vehicle), new motorcycle, and brand new trailer. Had the bike on the trailer, and the tongue just resting on the hitch (the lock for the trailer was not tightened up). As I begin rolling the bike off the trailer (I was doing it by myself of course), the back tire rolls down the ramp, and as soon as it touches my garage floor, the tongue of the trailer shoots straight up, and forward almost hitting the vehicles rear window. I breathe a sigh of relief for not breaking the glass, but then feel the trailer rolling forward more. I had two choices, either drop the bike and save the vehicle, or finish rolling the bike off. Well I decided to save the bike (of course), rolled it off quickly and as soon as the front tire was off the trailer, watch the tongue hit the back door, bounce and slide down approx 14" scratching and denting the door the whole way. Get to work, the boss asks what happened, and to my surpise I had no idea...
Anyway, I would think that adding a hauler btwn the vehicle and camper would increase the tongue weight far more than just by the weight of the bike. The 2' that it extends exerts a lot of leverage on the hitch when the camper is attached. I think Startt's idea is a great one, andI bet you could get a local fab shop to do it for you for a decent price...
Posted March 05, 2003 - 06:19 AM
So, I think I am going to look into the versahaul carrier. Does anyone know how much they cost?
Thanks everybody for your replies and advice.
Posted March 05, 2003 - 06:54 PM
what was your plan? in regards to the camper and the bike.... what did you decide to do?
Posted March 07, 2003 - 04:08 AM