After reading the many pages on various forums, and now seeing in person a 09 690R Enduro, ,,,I need to know if anyone who had a FI issue, eratic idle & stalling specifically,,, has had an actual effective repair done?

From what I've read, it includes at least 07s AND 08s. Any 09s? Is anything different in 09? With guesses from bad fuel to tightening the throttle cables, TPS adjustments and countless reprogramming, reluctor rings, downloading and 15 minute idle resets really don't "fix" anything from what I see. It seems there are still alot of guys riding bikes that just aren't getting repaired & running normally???

To the guys who never had a problem, we know your bike is awesome. Who has had a problem & either had it corrected or is still living with it? Thanks.

Well, I know riders are having the problems from the currently running threads,,,,

I guess nobody has really fixed the problem yet, whatever it is???

I had the stalling issue fixed on my 690E. May not be the same root cause as others but this is what happed. I provided the following description to my local dealer: (be specific and not emotional, state the facts)
Bike stalls frequently when comming to a stop, clutch in. Revs drop low and stalls. Does not restart without cycling ignition OFF the ON. Appears to be ignition related as low RPM running is OK and no other fuel related issues.Have used various brands premium gas with same effect. Stalling poses a danger as has occured at trafic lights resulting in near collision. Stalling also occurs when stationary in nuetral when throttle is "blipped" and idle drops way down and stalls, will not restart without ignition reset. I have checked/adjusted throttle cable and no improvement. Do not have any FI waring lights. No binding rear brake.

The dealer contacted "Al" at KTM and then did the following:
Ran checks on THAD and APAD, Checked for DTC fault codes, ran an "all reference" reset onn both ECU's, ran 15 minute at idle to set.

This fixed the stalling problem, bike runs great now. Could possibly be poor initial setup by the dealer where I purchased the bike.

Good to hear, how many miles on it now post stalling?

About 300, still too cold to put the miles on. Commute to work with lots of trafic lights, and no stalling.

300 miles is kinda early, though I sure hope it works!

Anyone else had it fixed?

I had terrible stalling problems after installing a FMF 4.1 titanium exhaust on my 690 E. I just got it re-mapped and a new TPS sensor. I could not get it to stall yesterday. Before it would stall nearly every time I full throtled and then chopped it. I'm very pleased and hope this fix is a permanent fix.

Even in only 300 miles, 4 mile commute, 9 stops per commute, total 675 stops and no stalling. Bike used to stall alsomt every commute at least once.
Bike runs better and idle is constant, day and night difference in running.

BTW, mods are: evap removed, evap solenoid removed and resistor added to connector, vacuum port pluged, 2nd 3rd gear wire disconnected.

I have about 800 miles on my 08 SMC and it has only stalled on me a few times. It happened maybe tiwce when coming to a stop, but also once when blipping the throttle. I really hope that KTM figures out, definitely, what the problem and takes care of it.

My 08 690smc has just started to have a FI issue. It's fine when it's cold, but after a while it has no power in low revs and revs really slowly.
It was reset by the KTM garage yesterday without any change. The problem started at 300 miles, it's done 350 miles now.
I'm going back to the garage tomorrow, so will post any success.
I might just order a power commander V and auto tune....that should sort it.

I have eard that the 2009 R is using the Duke2 mapping, could it solve the problem ? my KTM rep suggested that I change the mapping for the Duke2's one anyway.

I do not believe it is a mapping issue. There are too many sensors in the FI system that any combination of faults could cause the stalling. It may not even be the FI system at fault. If it was a map (software) issue then everyone would have the problem with that version of map (windows)

I'm hearing that they need to do the downloads in a specific order, and as a pair or it holds the old map? Seems the dealers are still lagging behind if KTM really has it figured out?

If they do, why are there still stallers?

I fell in love with the 2009 690 at the motorcycle show.

at $10500 bucks and rumors of major problems with them >> I will gladly stick to the Japanese Dual Sports.

I can't believe no one has mentioned the reluctor ring issue. The flywheel has a press-fit ring that on some bikes had slipped throwing off the timing. There's an updated part that's welded that apparently fixed the problem.

Search on reluctor ring on ktmtalk and you'll find loads of info on the subject.

That has come up & I have yet to read one being done in the USA or the results. I've read the ktmtalk threads & it seems KTM USA is holding the line that the USA bikes are fine?

jjm525 said:

That's what I've read/heard too. I would have to imagine though that the US bikes are just as susceptible to the reluctor ring issue as the Euro bikes. I wonder if any US owners have inspected theirs to see if there is an issue?

Ive got a 08 690E and have not really seen any major stalling issues. maybe a fewtimes when i'm ridin slower technical stuff. but nothing to be concerened about. it runs a whole lot better now with a Wings slip on, uni air filter and I drilled out the top of the air box. I left one of the inserts in the pipe. great sound.still got some back pressure. runs great. havent remapped either. just run on #2 map setting and run 91 or 94 octane fuel.

I have the 07 690SM, bought it used 6 wks ago. Stalled the same day I was bringing it home. Called the guy back, said never happens to him. Continued to stall every time it was rode over the next 2 weeks. After reading this thread I do not believe him, the bike has 10.5K miles and I doubt this just started when I got the bike.

Took the bike to the KTM dealer her in Thousand Oaks Ca. they had it for 1 1/2 wks diagnosing it. They said they did an all systems reset, then they tried the throttle cable tension. They called KTM direct and were advised to map it again, that did not work. They were told a few 07 & 08 models had a bad map and they have a fix for it. They put in this special map and it stopped stalling, but the idle is still eradic (going from low to high at stops). It feels strange when the idle is off like its going to stall but it holds on and levels out. Really wish they could get this right, the dealer admitted it was not perfect but they did not know what else to do at this time and at least its not stalling now.

Hopefully someone here will have the once for all answer.

Hey guys, I've been reading this thread and want to chime in. I don't own a 690, but it's a bike that's high on my "next bike" list. I'm so disappointed to hear that these bikes are having common stalling issues. After reading a few threads, I have a suggestion. I'm an automotive enthusiast, so I have some decent experience with diagnosing problems on fuel-injected vehicles (as well as modifying them).

If I had a 690 with this issue, the first thing I would do is clean the ground wires. I don't know about the 690, but on automobiles, there are usually multiple ground wires that branch off from the main ground (-) cable that attaches to the battery. To clean these, simply unbolt the cables from the frame (or engine, etc) and take some mid-grade (220 grit or so) sandpaper or steel wool to the body part and the cable ring. You might want to spray some battery terminal protector over these connections after you bolt the ground wires back on.

Give this a shot and report back here if it solved your problem or not. If not, then it can be a number of things, such as an airflow or temperature sensor, TPS sensor, bad crank position sensor, bad fuel/ignition mapping, etc.

Good luck, and I hope this helps!