Upcoming decision between WR250 and WR450



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  • yamsman

Posted February 02, 2003 - 09:29 AM

#1

I'm a TT Newbie -- who fortunately has a dealer who has both a WR250 and a WR450 for me to choose from. I'm 5'10", 175 lbs, in decent shape, but haven't ridden in several years -- having then owned a KLX300. I intend to do non-competive trail and woods riding -- but might eventually go the dual-sport route as well, if I can go with Vermont registration.

I prefer the dry 229 lbs of the WR250 to the 245 lbs of the WR450 -- but recognize the superior low-end of the latter. I want to get a bike that I won't outgrow over the next several years -- but don't want to commit to one that's either underpowered on the bottom or, conversely, too powerful or heavy to manage. (Fortunately, the price difference is not an issue.)

The dealer thinks the WR450 is the better choice owing to its low-end and more linear powerband -- but I wonder if it's really going to matter much for the escapist Weekend Warrior riding I'll be doing. Yet, I assume that at slower speeds a strong bottom can be a real plus.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, as I need to make the best decision within the next couple of days.

yamsman

  • ddialogue

Posted February 02, 2003 - 09:49 AM

#2

A friend of mine compared a YZ250F to my WR450F while riding yesterday. He's a short guy at 5'6" and only weighs in at 150lbs. He absolutely loved the low end power of the 450. He stated that he couldn't believe how strong the bottom end was. He mentioned that he could lug it out of a corner and then roll on the throttle to pull the wheel up if he needed to. He was impressed.

I think the WR250 would be an excellent woods bike but where we like to ride sand dunes I think the WR250 would be a bit lacking in power. Good luck!

  • BikeKiller

Posted February 02, 2003 - 09:54 AM

#3

hey yamsman... the 450 is a whole lotta bike.. i am 6'1" and about 175... i have a WR250f and it is one of the smoothest nicest bikes... my little bro about 14 who isnt a very good rider... just plugs alone on this thing without a problem.. the 250 is also alot lighter than the 450.. the 250 runs at about.... 235 245??? not completly shure bout the weight. and unless u are decciding on gaining abpout 4 inches in height and 40 or more pounds... then i dont think that u will outgrow the 250... i ride 1.. i love it and honestly imust say that the only bike tat comes close to beating the 250 in the means of beginner bikes would probably be an XR.. but those are also alot heavier.. i hope that this helps

  • yamsman

Posted February 02, 2003 - 10:40 AM

#4

Thanks ddialogue.

Questions: Having ridden a KLX300 and being 5'10", 175 lb -- I shouldn't be overly concerned about controlling the power and weight of the WR450?? I mean, does the extra 16 lbs and gobs of low-end torque mean the WR450 is harder to manage?? Or am I just too anxious about this...

yamsman

  • yamsman

Posted February 02, 2003 - 10:48 AM

#5

Thanks BikeKiller,

Being about my weight (175), does the WR250 have enough low-end torque and tractability to handle most hill-climbing scenarios -- ie, would you describe its climbing capabilities based on your experiences.

yamsman

  • ThumperWR450F

Posted February 02, 2003 - 10:52 AM

#6

I'M 5'11 165LBS AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM HANDLING MY WR450.

  • JL

Posted February 02, 2003 - 11:58 AM

#7

A friend of mine traded his KLX300(his second one) for a WR250 to use for trail riding he says it does everything his KLX did only better ! Do you REALLY need the power of the 450 ? if not why carry all that extra weight around all day . The only problem I have with the the 250 is having to wait for the over biked 400/426 riders at the end of trails! More power is only good if you are up to it,if not buy a 250 and ENJOY ! :)

  • r1superstar

Posted February 02, 2003 - 12:02 PM

#8


I'm a TT Newbie -- who fortunately has a dealer who has both a WR250 and a WR450 for me to choose from. I'm 5'10", 175 lbs, in decent shape, but haven't ridden in several years



Get the WR450, you will be very happy. You will outgrow the WR250 and be bored with it.

  • yamsman

Posted February 02, 2003 - 12:31 PM

#9

Thanks JL, I appreciate your POV. On the other hand, it's only 16 lbs more -- and did you read what r1superstar said?? I'll probably have to sleep on this decision...

  • ThumperWR450F

Posted February 02, 2003 - 12:36 PM

#10

WHAT DO PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY GET THERE BIKES? LITTLE THINGS TO GIVE IT MORE POWER. CUT TO THE CHASE AND BUY A 450.THE BIKE LISTS AT 269 FULL OF FLUIDS. BUT WHEN YOU ARE RIDING IT IT FEELS LIGHT AS A FEATHER.

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  • yamsman

Posted February 02, 2003 - 12:41 PM

#11

Thank also, r1superstar,

I have a feeling you're right about this... Anyhow, it's more the extra power -- rather than the additional 16 lbs -- that concerns me. If controlling that power is not difficult, then I'm leaning toward the WR450.

Based on your experience, is this a legitimate concern or just a touch of jitters on my part?? I mean, I just don't want to be unexpectedly plowing into trees or doing flips.

  • JL

Posted February 02, 2003 - 12:59 PM

#12

yamsman - only you can make your mind up, be HONEST to yourself about your riding ability and what you want from your bike, my WR250F is bog standard and I'm not good enough to push it to the limit all the time BUT I've yet to be left behind by a 426 !!! what you lose in the fast stuff you soon pull back in the hard stuff. Don't forget be honest its you that has to enjoy you're riding no one else!
(and yes I did read what r1superstar said I think the clue is in his name!!!!!!!!)

  • yamsman

Posted February 02, 2003 - 01:10 PM

#13

Thanks ThumperWR450F,

You and r1superstar are of like mind on this one. I appreciate the input -- and I'm now considering TT Newbie's thoughful remarks.

  • yamsman

Posted February 02, 2003 - 01:27 PM

#14

Hey TT Newbie,

I like what you said -- about being HONEST about my riding ability and that you are learning to get what the WR250 has to offer. In all honesty, even though I have KLX300 riding experience, I haven't ridden in years and am probably being generous in assuming myself to be an intermediate rider. I want a bike that easy to control and handle -- obviously, I don't want to get hurt -- but that has good pulling-power, especially at the lower-end.

What is your height and weight and riding experience?? How does the WR250 do on hill-climbing -- does it have the low-end torque and tractability to pull strongly, or does it fall short?? I'd be interested in knowing more of where and how you ride the WR250 and how it performs in non-competitive trail, woods, hill-climbing and riding.

yamsman

  • ThumperWR450F

Posted February 02, 2003 - 01:54 PM

#15

HEY YAMSMAN,

I THINK YOU ARE TALKIN TO JL. TT NEWBIE IS HIS STATUS ON THIS FORUM IF YOU LOOK UNDER YOUR NAME IT SAYS TT NEWBIE ALSO. JUST CLEARING THIS UP FOR YOU !!

  • yamsman

Posted February 02, 2003 - 02:23 PM

#16

Thanks ThumperWR450F -- I thought that name seemed too familiar...

  • redhead1331

Posted February 02, 2003 - 04:04 PM

#17

I have the 250, and I am about your size, it has pleanty of power for me, and i don't think i will outgrow it any time soon. I have never ran into a situation where i wished i had more power. The KLX300 is garbage compared to the WR250. an XR250 doesn't come close either, the suspention is too soft, and its over weight, and the WR250 has 1 more horsepower that an XR 400! IMHO the WR 250 is the bike for you. The 450 is too heavy, and takes more oout of you to ride.

  • john450f

Posted February 02, 2003 - 04:28 PM

#18

Hey Yamsman,
I hope you're still reading. I think my situation is\was similar to yours. I considered myself a "125 specialist" for years(raced 250's when younger) I liked the light wt and modern 125s are'nt slow. Anyhoo I did'nt want to get stuck on a bloated big block 4-stroke. Seeing the new WR's, I knew these were dream bikes but waivered between 250 or 450. I got the 450 and went on 1st real ride today. Get the 450!!! I'm 5 11 @ 150. Seat ht can be an issue in super tight situations which I avoided today. My experience with new bikes is they will settle over time. Fast trail handling and power delivery are awesome. I have never kept up with and\or passed all the xr600 guys I ride with so easily. One more thought, considering you might dualsport, as I will, the 450 will wear much better with occassional pavement work. Take the dive, no regrets!!

  • Superbike

Posted February 02, 2003 - 04:32 PM

#19

JL, I wish you were over here so I could pass you in the tight nasty on the 450. :) Yamsman, Really though, at 175 you are light enough for the 250. If you get the 250 go for the YZ as the tranny on the WR is a bit wide for the revy motor if you want to ride at a top level. I have several buddies that have both. These guys are all converting the YZ to enduro. I myself am a healthy 230 and the 250 is just not enough for me on the hills. The 450 is so controlable that it is very easy to ride. I guess think of it like this If you were buying a 2 stroke would you buy a 125 or a 250? Not a great comparison but it is a fair one, even though the 250F is better than the 125. If you go WR go 450, the power is a lot of fun, smooth controlable. If you plan to ride tight technical and want a 250F the YZ is a better choice. Not that the WR 250 is bad, but the YZ is more aggressive. I guess for 16 pounds I will take 20 more ponies. IMHO dual sporting rules out the 250. Hope this helps John450F put it well----Mike

  • john450f

Posted February 02, 2003 - 04:38 PM

#20

One more thing yamsman, don't get the wrong idea when I say fast trail riding and see I'm from AZ. I live in N. AZ and we went woods riding today, not des haulin, tight trees and corners, lots of short run hills. the bike is flickable. Although itdid feel stable and fast enough, I may go south next weekend. have fun.




 
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