Posted July 11, 2002 - 05:03 PM
WAKE UP GUYS.... Jim
Posted July 11, 2002 - 08:32 PM
But I also firmly believe the idea that if we all quiet down to a certain level that it will all be ok, is not realistic. There are individuals, groups and organizations that will not cease until all off road activity is stopped. We could all go to government mandated 96db only to have the same folks then say that 96 is too loud.
Dont get me wrong but, we will be expected to give and give and give until its all gone. Whether its sounds, erosion, bothering wildlife, etc there is no changing some folks opinions of dirt bikes.
Dont get me wrong, I still stick the stock baffle in when riding in certain areas around my house. But I just dont see a solution that will keep everyone happy.
My 3 cents.
Posted July 11, 2002 - 10:10 PM
Also, I like an authoritative exhaust note. More precisely, I like hearing my bike make power. I don't necessarily think louder=more power, but I don't like hearing my bike try to breath like an asthmatic that is out of wind when I twist the throttle. I don't want to go deaf just to make a few more hp's, either. There's a middle ground somewhere there. A 426 with a Vortip still makes some noise, but it is quiet enough. I don't know where exactly the line should be drawn, but there are a lot of pipes that are just too loud to be run anywhere except on a closed course designed for the purpose of running loud bikes.
The true relevance between exhaust noise and our land use battle has to do with sharing land with other outdoor recreationists and land users. See, the thing is, it's not really these people that are trying to take away our riding privileges. But, we do have to share the land with them. And when it comes to defeating our true enemy, Big Green, all of us land users are going to have to work together.
A simple way to look at it is this. If the other land users (and I don't mean just one cranky old fart or some greenie on a nature walk) think our bikes are too loud, then they are too loud. Give our other land using friends some credit. They are pro land use just like us. They don't want us castrated, they just want us to respect their recreation or land use rights.
I really don't think the answer is some government mandated db level that is applied to all situations and enforced like we were crack distributors or something. I think courtesy and respect could go a long way to avoiding that scenario. Of course, a big part of this is that we need to get busy and work together with all public land users to get Big Green out of the picture.
[ July 12, 2002: Message edited by: neWRiver ]
Posted July 12, 2002 - 05:11 AM
fact: quiet pipes do Not SELL! even if they make more power!!!
Ask the people who make the pipes... tell the people who make the pipes that you want a pipe that makes less noise.
Posted July 12, 2002 - 05:57 AM
Posted July 12, 2002 - 04:59 PM
Joe is out enjoying the outdoors his way, hears a quiet bike and is annoyed. Too bad, reasonable Joe knows that you are just enjoying the outdoors your way.
Joe hears uncorked modern 4stroke, is disturbed, can't believe how long he's heard you and is probably a little shaken by the experience. He'll be sure to tell his friends about the 'motosiclesonsabitches' and may complain to the forest service/ranger/owner/whatever.
We need to do everything we can to keep neutral people neutral. The public has a bad perception of bikes as it is, lets not help the grweenies out.
Posted July 12, 2002 - 05:02 PM
when their weight doesn't make half as much difference as most think
and they don't hurt power to the ground nearly as much as people think.
Posted July 13, 2002 - 03:44 AM
I agree that there should be a reasonable middle ground. I do not feel that the WR pipe corked or uncorked has a reasonable power to noise ratio.