this is something that i feel strongly about. Good article. kinda long
Posted July 16, 2002 - 05:56 PM
Posted July 16, 2002 - 07:13 PM
This is the greatest nation on this planet and has been since our Forefathers conceived it.
Men who were willing to pay the ultimate price for our way of life haven't changed since.
Neither has the citizenry for whom they have sworn to protect and defend.
Immigrants have always taken the jobs others wouldn't so their children would have a better life.
My grandmothers greatgrandfather, his brothers, and several other farmers from their village in Denmark, sold everything and entered into a contract to purchase, and farm land in SE Texas shortly after the Civil War.
I'm an Equal Opportunity Employer and have found Hispanic workers are typically the best employees. Work and Family is their ethic.
I feel sorry for many of my sons (19 yr old) friends. I'll hire one, he'll come out, work about 4 or 5 hours in the sun, boohoo about the work and the wage, then call his mom to come pick him up or not show up the next morning.
He's seen several losers from the class of 78, who 20+ years later, come to me for work and do the same.
These are my old high school friends and nothings changed.
In high school and college it was a summer job, it became a career.
Without an education or a willingness to work hard, you don't stand a chance of being a success here, there or anywhere.
Posted July 16, 2002 - 10:56 PM
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Posted July 17, 2002 - 04:01 AM
Sorry, but you really were asking for that one!
let's restore the good ole US of A to what it used to be: stollen property.
Peace Eh - P.Z.
Posted July 17, 2002 - 04:07 AM
Originally posted by John H:
didn't read all the posts so don't know if this was already discussed.
Recent quote from Dennis Miller regarding the judges who declared the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional:
"So, Your Honor, the Pledge is unconstitutional because it says 'Under God'. Guess that means when you were sworn in with your hand on a Bible, and at the end of your oath repeated, 'So Help Me God' that makes your job unconstitutional! Therefore you have no job, which means your ruling doesn't mean s**t."
unconstitutional in schools. that is the only place religion is not welcome. Come on here. Why dont we all talk about strip clubs now. Might as well. this topic has gone to the wayside so bad it is not funny. Well i guess some parts are funny.
Posted July 17, 2002 - 04:15 AM
Additionally the word is spelled, (Religion) and (religious)....
If your gonna slam folks for spelling, you need to pull your head out of your A$$ and get it right yourself....
You sound a little Self Rightous to me.
Posted July 17, 2002 - 05:22 AM
In a short time to come it may us that is sneaking in the middle of the nite to cross the boarder.
The reason: We are loosing jobs/companies to Mexico every day. Recently one of our Very LArge
local companies that employed thousands got bought out. The new company moved 90% of it all to Mexico. Predictions that I'm hearing from friends of mine and life time employees there say the rest will be gone before the end of the year.
Why do they move down there? Cheaper labor, yes.
Cheaper land/taxes etc. But the work force/ethics is what the companies look at too. I have worked beside the folks from S. of the border when I was young and watched them work while on bus. travel as an adult. The majority of them are hard working, and don't complain. As a kid in the 60's a some of us locals would work beside them in the fields. Nowaday's you can't get a kid to even walk in the fields let a alone work in it.
Oh i know we don't want those kind of jobs anyway.
But where do our young learn their work ethics?
McDonalds, Fast food type places usually managed by another youngster whose attitude isn't much better. I could write a book on my "Pessimistic View" of our younger crowd but I'll leave at that since I'm sure I've already ruffled some feathers.
Honestly though I would welcome comments to sway my opinion of our younger "Americans"
Personally I think it's way too late to start closing the borders. It's becoming a one world economy, and eventually a one world govt. I remember "daddy bush" mentioning that once before.
Religion: O-Boy here we go again. The phrase under god was added in the world war in hoping to assure our roles against the Russians. (Strange!!)
The separation of Church and State means just that. but over the last 200 or so years religion has worked it's way into our gov't. Now that we've allowed others into our society and our gov't is supposed to be all inclusive of those "give me your sick, your poor, etc." and their religions too....... come on something has to give. One Gov't can't reflect all beliefs.
weather it be the Native Amercian belief, Christian, Budda, or whatever belief you have.
Separation of Church and State. Do you need your gov't to tell you your religious beliefs. Nope, your still gonna believe how you do regardless of what the gov does.
Break up the schools into separate religious beliefs, who wants to pay for that, nobody.
Not everyone is stiffing the gov't. Myself I could be registered native american and get the benefits that come with that. And I know there are many more out there. In this area those benefits can win you large contracts if you utilize them..........
Though I will not live to see it and would love to though. IMO - Eventually most of our cultures, skin colors, etc. will merge as the world comes together. Then there won't be a need for all this.......Imagine all the bored people, nothing to fight about
my 2 cents
Posted July 17, 2002 - 08:28 AM
Oh Ahhhh 18 post now lew
Posted July 17, 2002 - 10:21 AM
i enjoy this board and as a newbie to the sport i rely on it for lots of information and advice. i don't want to jeopardize my good standing here. again, my apologies.
Posted July 17, 2002 - 11:11 AM
Nowhere in the Constitution does it say anything about "Separation of Church and State". That was a phrase that became popular as an acronym for the concept of barring our government from endorsing any PARTICULAR religious denomination. Our founders were almost without exception very religious people who wanted our government based upon the aforementioned Judeo-Christian principles they themselves adhered to. They simply did not want our government to endorse one denomination over another.
The concept of publicly-owned lands, individual rights (such as riding on those public lands), and even the fact that you have the right to defend yourself in court when the BLM gives you a citation had origins in those principles of the major organized religions of the time. Historically speaking, it is the oppressive regimes of facism, communism, socialism, etc, that embraced an atheistic model and suppressed their citizens' desire to practice their own religious beliefs. Our founders knew that the coerced absence of religious freedom (eliminating any governmental references to God) was a prerequisite to eliminating other freedoms.
It is too bad that the founders' desire to avoid endorsing a particular denomination has been perverted into some kind of mandate to eliminate the freedom to acknowledge where our roots as a country originated.
And that's my 2 cents.
Posted July 17, 2002 - 11:24 AM
You are absolutly correct and you stated clearly on the precepts of or country and what the founding fathers meant.
In my Post from above was just as you stated
a country basted on god was what people where trying to get away from.
You could not have been more wrong, Those that came from England and started this great nation were getting away for tyranny and the Church of England in which totally governed the society of England and its rulers. Get your history correct please. This is the only "INVALID" Argument the sepration from Church and state groups have..and they dont have it right either
its evident that are scrools are so freaking poor the they can not educate or own people on the truth. Sepration of Church and state is a myth it only exists in the atiestic mind of those that HATE GOD.
Dan You Nailed it HIP HURRAY
Lew thats 20
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Posted July 18, 2002 - 02:57 AM
Hey thats 21
Posted July 18, 2002 - 03:53 AM
You just might get your 30 posts if this keeps up. This topic somehow just might do the ton, hard to believe.
Peace Eh - P.Z.
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Posted July 18, 2002 - 04:46 AM
He coined the phrase "Oh Geez this is gonna hurt"
I wasnt puking!, I was just making room for more beer!
Posted July 18, 2002 - 05:03 AM
Congress shall make no law "RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION", or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Note 13: Only the 13th, 14th, 15th, and 16th articles of amendment had numbers assigned to them at the time of ratification
I don't hate GOD or any other religion but I don't care for those who try to force ANY religion on myself or others.
Posted July 18, 2002 - 06:04 AM
THOSE GUYS NEVER HAD TO LIVE WITH OR NEAR A BUNCH OF GANG BANGIN PUNKS THAT DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH EDUCATION (THE GOVS FAULT) THAN TO GO AROUND TERRORIZING PEOPLE. RUSSIAN GANGS,ARMENIAN GANGS, MEXICAN GANGS ETC... BUNCH OF **** UPS. I SAY WE SPEND OUR TAX DOLLARS AND SWEEP THE STREETS OF THE NON-CONTRIBUTING BUNCH OF SOBS AND BUY AN ISLAND, CALL IT AN AMERICAN STATE AND SHIP EM OFF THERE. THEN THEY CAN STILL SAY THEY LIVE IN AMERICA.THEN THEY WOULD ALL COMMIT THEIR VIOLENT ACTS ON ONE ANOTHER AND AMERICA WOULD BE A SAFER PLACE FOR OUR KIDS. MY LITTLE 7 YEAR OLD CANT EVEN GO OUT AND PLAY WITH HER FRIENDS WITHOUT US WORRYING IF SOME BASTARD IS GOING TO ABDUCT HER. **** THE POLITICALLY CORRECT, THEY ARE THE FIRST ONES TO WHINE AND WANT BLOOD WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ONE OF THEIRS. BUNCH OF SHE--MEN RUNNING THIS COUNTRY. GOVS HAD A HAND IN CUTTING OFF YOUR BALLS AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IT. I SAY... IF YOU DO NOT CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY TO THIS COUNTRY AND HELP TO MAKE IT A SAFER AND I REPEAT SAFER PLACE THEN GET THE HELL OUT. TIRED OF SOBS COMING OVER HER TO RAPE AND PILAGE WHAT THEY WANT. IF YOU WANT A FREE RIDE IN AMERICA ..GO HOME. YES WE HAVE RULES OF CONDUCT AND LAWS AND IF YOU DONT WANT TO ABIDE BY THEM AND ALSO LEARN THE LANGUAGE, BECAUSE THATS ANOTHER THING IM FED UP WITH...TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SOME IDIOT WHEN IM TRYING TO BUY A ROLL OF TOILET PAPER TO WIPE MY ASS. WELL IN SUMMARY , IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO TRY TO GET ALONG HERE, WITH OUR WAYS THEN GET THE HELL OUT. OR GET WHEEL SPUN BY MY 426 EQUALIZER.
Posted July 18, 2002 - 06:06 AM
Ya lets do that
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