WR450 or VOR450EN
Posted January 28, 2003 - 05:37 PM
What is a VFD? How does it work? What is a MCC? What is a PLC? What is PID? or I have a simple one for you. What are the products of combustion? Why did Yamaha ship the WR450 with lean settings?
Posted January 28, 2003 - 06:25 PM
With any high performance machine there machines there are bound to be some problems and more so with completely
new models.All the bikes are so good now you just have to pick one Yamaha,Vor,Ktm exc. and deal with the little problems each one has.
Posted January 28, 2003 - 07:31 PM
MCC – Motor Control Center (A room for 3 phase motor starters, freq drives, PLC’s)
PLC – Programmable Logic Controller (Control Logix 5000, PLC 2/15, Micro 84 Modicon, etc.)
PID – Proportional Integral Derivative (A PLC instruction that controls a process variable such as flow, pressure, temperature, or level).
Why did Yamaha ship the WR450 with lean settings? Who cares?
Posted January 29, 2003 - 01:40 AM
Posted January 29, 2003 - 02:00 AM
go get a vor...then when you go to resell it you could donate it to charity...
Posted January 29, 2003 - 03:07 AM
BTW, If your not a professional engineer, you have no clue what it takes to be one!
Posted January 29, 2003 - 04:01 AM
Posted January 29, 2003 - 04:36 AM
Posted January 29, 2003 - 05:08 AM
Alabami is much smarter than you guys. He's a professional engineer.
Shut up and listen!
Posted January 29, 2003 - 05:37 AM
.. you of all people should know that you can not take only a few bikes from a much much larger production lot and say this is the failure rate. If you were to take a larger sample then you would get the variability that occurs during production (tools wearing, differences in material control etc). I am just trying to get across that according to TT it may seem alarming that several bikes have had the key shear but give it some time, ride out the storm. We have not heard yet from those that are aware of the problem ahead of time and will minimize their variables by not making any mods and changing their jetting a step richer right off the bat.
We need to hear from more people that have richer jetting and checked the nut to see if it was torqued properly from the beginning.
Now that we are aware of the potential problem we can attack the problem, getting to the root of it, instead of proposing why or what if questions that can not be answer without more input data from other TT members. Contribute to the pot don't stir it.
Posted January 29, 2003 - 06:10 AM
Did I mention that it hauls a$$ and is very reliable?
Posted January 29, 2003 - 06:50 AM
1.VFD - variable frequency drive , various applications available depending on motor hp rating . designed to run electric motors more effiecently . i've never had the opportunity to take one apart to see what makes it tick , i guess thats your job.
2.MCC - motor control center , lots of neat gadgets in one of those , price per application
3.PLC - programmable logic controller , what do you want to your machinery to do today ?
4.PID - proportional integral derivitive control , never sold one before , probably never will .
5.products of combustion ? - fuel , air , temp and pressure . by products of combustion - co2 , sulpher and any number of noxious compounds
6.why did yamaha and why does every other mfg ship their products with lean settings ? - amateur as apposed to a proffessional engineer at each factory ? ever heard of the EPA or CARB ? i'm sure there are emmisions standards a bike has to meet in order to be sold in any given country . maybe you should research those statistics .
Posted January 29, 2003 - 06:51 AM
Posted January 29, 2003 - 07:12 AM
Posted January 29, 2003 - 08:51 AM
Posted January 29, 2003 - 09:50 AM
Anyway, you started out ranting about how there are NO WR450's around. People said they have them, you said "we'll see who is right". You stuck with your convictions (which is certainly honorable, albeit incorrect), and you were proven wrong. Now you bring up issues that are certainly concerning but definitely don't support your "30% failure rate". As others have said, buy the VOR-quit bothering us. Your rambling is just that-rambling. You aren't contributing anything to the discussion, just offereing reasons why you should go another direction. And finally, please spare us the "I'm an engineer" explanation. It certainly doesn't help your status, and lends nothing to the decision of which bike to buy...
Why did Yamaha ship the WR with lean settings? Could have to do with the EPA, could have to do with market research on where their cust's are located (higher elevation), could be a mistake, who knows?
Posted January 29, 2003 - 10:25 AM
Posted January 29, 2003 - 11:46 AM
I'm just an ordinary guy that likes to ride and get info about motorcycling to get a little better at solving mechanical problems and doing a proper maintenance on his bike.
I was hoping to get some input on how the VOR is as I totally ignore what this bike is like. I got to say I admire your patience. Out of what?...30 answers you received, IMHO only 10 are useful. The rest is kidergarden-like b*tchin'. This is the first time that I see such a thing on a motorcycle forum.
Where are the moderators?
Posted January 29, 2003 - 12:13 PM
Where are the moderators?
Never very far...
Like you said this ain't kindergarten, we don't serve milk and cookies and enforce "nap time". Although we do like to keep things on a more "professional" level and share mutual respect amongst ourselves, frankness and disagreement are not completely unwelcome. You can't take a controversial position and expect nothing but "golf claps" from your fellows.
We're keeping an eye here and so far it seems pretty much above the belt. But, we certainly don't want to see anyone get bruised up. As I see it, Alabama_Rider gives as good as he gets for the most part and can stand on his own here.
Let's not let our disagreements get personal though, ok? I really don't wont to send notes home to all of your mommies, but I will if I have to.