Sierra Club e-mail!

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  • kingj28yamadog

Posted July 04, 2002 - 11:54 AM


Does anyone think the Sierra club will see the humor in my e-mail?

From: "John Haro" <>
Date: 07/04/02 14:51:31
Subject: Important article, must read!


Greens Go Up in Smoke
Will sensible forest policies rise from the ashes?

Fires continue to roar through the West, aided by drought and allegedly in
some cases by arson. But as the damage stretches into a million acres and
billions of dollars, other culprits are coming in focus--especially the
high-powered environmental groups that have dominated U.S. forest policy
at least a decade.

"The policies that are coming from the East Coast, that are coming from
environmentalists, that say we don't need to log, we don't need to thin
forests are absolutely ridiculous," Arizona Governor Jane Dee Hull said
recently. "Nobody on the East Coast knows how to manage these fires and I
for one have had it."

Her frustration is shared by many Westerners, who have now seen far too
closely the consequences of environmentalist policy. If there's been any
benefit to these awful fires, it's the education they're providing to
suburban voters. Their anger is spilling over into this year's election
campaigns, and is causing the greens to deny their own handiwork. As
Colorado Governor Bill Owens told us recently regarding the need for more
forest management: "The debate is largely over."

What the fires have exposed is just how extreme even today's "mainstream"
environmental activists have become. Once upon a time the Sierra Club and
Wilderness Society were concerned with the wise human stewardship of
resources and wilderness. But in recent decades a view has taken hold
these groups that often sees human beings as the scourge of pristine
This no-human philosophy lies behind the Big Green litigation and lobbying
that opposed the very thinning and road-building that would clean up
to protect them from fire. The result is that this fire year is now
up as the worst on record: Some 2.7 million acres have already burned,
nearly three times the average acreage for this time of year.

All of this has put the leading environmental groups, accustomed to a free
media ride, on the defensive for the first time in decades. The Sierra
Club's Carl Pope has called any criticism a "disturbing display of cynical
politics," which is of course a way of changing the subject. Governor
by the way, is term limited and not running for re-election.

But for the most part, the Big Green groups have been retreating faster
the Italian Africacorps. After these columns recently pointed out
the "Fires
Are Good" headline on the National Wildlife Federation Web site, we went
back to the site for another look, but the words had ysteriously
disappeared. The Sierra Club, which used to praise the uses of fire, now
a "guide" for homeowners to protect themselves from fire.

But none of this absolves the groups from their previous agitation. Only
last summer, for instance, residents of the Black Hills in South Dakota
with the U.S. Forest Service to discuss protecting their homes from fire.
The contribution at the time from Brad Brademeyer, a local Sierra Club
official, was that "If [people]don't want to live with the forest or be
the forest, then they should move."
Then there's the "science" the groups continue to ply on their Web sites
justify opposition to forest management. The Sierra Club says that "the
real environmental damage associated with forest fires comes from human
attempts to extinguish and prevent them." The Center for Biological
Diversity and the National Forest Protection Alliance inform us,
counter-intuitively to say the least, that logging is responsible for the
fires. And the National Wildlife Federation says that "In fact, many
and plants not only survive, but thrive, after fire." They don't manage to
explain how
thinning "destroys habitat," while burning it down in its entirety makes
animals "thrive."

Clinton-era Forest Chief Mike Dombeck recently sent us a letter objecting
our editorial on this subject, but in the process he made our very point.
His letter said forest management would lead to "intensely managed
industrial forest plantations," as if this was the only alternative to
catastrophic fire. Mr. Dombeck spent his time at the Forest Service
insisting he was a moderate, but his letter shows otherwise.

Even worse are the continuing appeals and litigation. Environmental groups
swamp the Forest Service and other agencies with appeals and lawsuits each
year, in an attempt to block even modest cleanup efforts. Readers can
the Forest Service site to see for

Last week, Mark Rey, Undersecretary of Natural Resources and Environment
the Agriculture Department, requested that the Forest Service conduct a
detailed report of the environmental groups' role in big fires. It will
not just at the legal appeals, but also at the money and time the Service
spends attempting to guard its plans from legal action in the first place.
Based on their track record, the people who should pay for that study are
the environmental groups that created the problem."


Let me know what size T-shirt to send you!, :)

  • Mitch_R

Posted July 04, 2002 - 12:11 PM


I know I could use at lest ten xl size shirts. This crap never ceases to amaze me, It's unfortunate that so much wilderness had to be destroyed by fire for people to finally realize that Local policy makers know what's best for our forests! If the policy makers ever left their offices and went out side maybe they too could truly appreciate the great outdoors, and see that it shuld be available for all people to enjoy :) Can somebody give me an amen? DAMN :D :D :D :D

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  • oldasdirt

Posted July 04, 2002 - 01:55 PM


AMEN!!!!! oldasdirt


Posted July 04, 2002 - 02:15 PM


kingj28yamadog, nice job! Huge Thumbs Up! :)

  • Dan_from_HB

Posted July 04, 2002 - 06:08 PM


I just sent an email to Daniel Patterson at Center for Biological Diversity telling him what I think of their policies. I sent one a week ago to Paul Spitler at California Wilderness Coalition. These two are bosom buddies. They sit around and dream up new litigation schemes they can perpetrate on the American Public by way of suing our BLM every time they don't accede to the demands of the radical socialist leftist environmentalist agenda clowns.


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