Hey Honda you listening?



18 replies to this topic
  • Danco

Posted January 22, 2003 - 03:41 AM

#1

Time to make the ultimate playbike. Drop that magical 650R motor into a CRF450 frame, put an e-start button on it watch what happens. I'll be first in line and I won't care what it costs. :)

  • Dutch

Posted January 22, 2003 - 04:20 AM

#2

Make mine a CRF450X - all that bike needs is a little flywheel, head light and tail light, and a wide ratio tranny. Hell - the magic button doesn't matter to me, but there are a lot of Yamaha riders out there who need it so Honda will sell a lot more of them if they put it on. I'll still keep my "Betty" though - it's taken me two years but I've got her right where she wants me :)

  • Rokatt88

Posted January 22, 2003 - 11:11 AM

#3

I'm already dreaming about the CRF450X! One of my Pig Brothers has a CRF450 as well. Very nice bike. I try not to ride it as...well...It's Niiiiice! Not to make my BRP jealous or anything. :D The idea of shoehorning a 650 motor into a CRF 450 frame is SICK! I Like It!! :D FrankenHondaStein! :)

  • secretatlas

Posted January 22, 2003 - 12:34 PM

#4

i'd rather have a detuned crf 450 engine in a scaled down xr 650r frame. with usd forks. forget the twin spar alu crap. i'm with rudder on that one.
kc

  • qadsan

Posted January 22, 2003 - 03:14 PM

#5

Ahhh...cummon guys! All this talk is getting me twitchy and wanting a new bike :)

  • FooBarr

Posted January 22, 2003 - 05:14 PM

#6

They should pick up the pieces from the Folson V-twin and run with it! :) Give us a 750! :D

  • Danco

Posted January 23, 2003 - 04:19 AM

#7

Oh come on - it's the motor that rocks! The 450 is nice but a high strung, high revin MX engine. The tractor-like 650 is all that. Now take the Service Honda CR500AF and take the motor out and wedge in the piggy. The stiffer aluminum frame is more rigid and turns way better than the cromalloy cradle. Add good USP forks and get the weight at about 260 dry and viola! The unltimate thumper. droooool! :)

  • stonewall

Posted January 23, 2003 - 05:21 AM

#8

I'm with you Danco. Don't mess with the 650 motor. That things perfect. Just make the bike a little lighter and I'll be satisfied. I'm satisfied now but it doesn't hurt to dream. :)

  • qadsan

Posted January 23, 2003 - 08:12 AM

#9

Now take the Service Honda CR500AF and take the motor out and wedge in the piggy.



You're almost describing a KTM 525 :)

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  • Danco

Posted January 24, 2003 - 03:32 AM

#10

Oh yeh! But at least it will be red. :) I'm having trouble adjusting to this orange thing. Nice bike but I'm gonna turn it all black with red graphics. Closest I can come to my beloved Honda's. LOL

  • David_M.

Posted January 31, 2003 - 01:49 AM

#11

On the 650R motor... I've had numerous off road bikes over the last 27 years, and with each one I wanted the motor to be a little more this or that. But with the 650R motor I can't think of anything I would change. Every time I ride it, I just can't beleive how perfect the power is. Maybe if they took off a couple of pounds, but not if shaving the weight down messed with the rock solid reliability.

I'm also waiting for the auto-clutch. The bike is geared for speed so riding in the woods is a bit of a chore, but not because of anything wrong with the handling. If 1st gear was lower, I would'nt even need the auto clutch, but since I need it geared high for most of my riding, the auto clutch will solve problem while in the woods.

  • huntmaster

Posted January 31, 2003 - 06:09 AM

#12

This type of question comes up all the time, but the truth is that the XR650R (or 400) doesn't really compete with the CRF. It's a matter of the right tool for the job. Yet turning the XR into a motocrosser or the CRF into a trail bike seems to be an internet fixation!

When the XR650R was designed, Honda had a legacy of quality, reliability and durabality in an all around play/race bike to maintain. To do this, the XR is probably a little "over built" compared to other designs. There is no "free lunch" in design. Heavier cases, frames, internals, etc., are simply less like to break then light duty items. Throughout it's development there was apparantly an ongoing struggle between the "quality" camp and the "performance" camp, who were basically looking for a big bore CRF. The "quality" camp won.

As noted elsewhere, even after racing the Baja 1000, many XR's have gone on to live long lives, when other bikes have gone off to the scrap heap under the same circumstances. The CRF seems to be holding up quite well for it's type, but with it's light construction, single ring skirtless piston, etc., it simply will not and cannot be the "five years of adding gas and changing oil" machine the current XR and it's predecessors are famous for. It is going to be very interesting to see what compromizes Honda makes for durability in the upcoming CRF 450X. Or will they just keep making the XR400 for the all-round usage crowd?

DH

  • secretatlas

Posted January 31, 2003 - 07:40 AM

#13

"the CRF into a trail bike seems to be an internet fixation!"

i agree with you 100% save for this comment. if turning the crf into an offroad machine was a little more than an "internet fixation," then why is it that i am getting beat by crfs in the desert and in enduro?

i think people have figured out how to make them into competitive race bikes for offroad. however i agree that their reliablity and longetivity as desert/enduro machines remains to be seen.

  • huntmaster

Posted January 31, 2003 - 08:18 AM

#14

Agreed, but look again. The comment was regarding CRF trail riding suitability, not off road racing capability. Still, don't look for the CRF to replace the 650R in Baja or Tonopah. Reports from the Honda racing team state they are having trouble breaking 100 mph with the 450, as compared to Johnny Campbell's 125 mph 650!
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<<the CRF into a trail bike seems to be an internet fixation!">>

i agree with you 100% save for this comment. if turning the crf into an offroad machine was a little more than an "internet fixation," then why is it that i am getting beat by crfs in the desert and in enduro?

  • secretatlas

Posted January 31, 2003 - 09:02 AM

#15

naw, never thought the crf would replace the 650 in the major desert races.
however, there are a lot of races such as last week's desert mc national hare & hound, or smaller desert scrambles where a lighter more nimble bike would have been more appropriate. i've been around honda's people for awhile now and unfortunatly when it comes to their offroad program the cliche "when the only tool you have is a hammer everything looks like nails," really applies. but your right, people who try to tame the crf into a dual sport bike or trail bike are very misguided. there's guys on the other forum that i just laugh at. the amount of money they have wasted to make their bikes tame and street legal... but hey, they are barbie dolls for adults right?
btw: i was out at baldy mesa wen afternoon and got walked by steve hegeveld who was riding a crf 450. i was all by myself on this two track trail and all the sudden i hear a 4stroke right on my rear tire. i got off the trail quick and there he went. it was about as humbling as climbing out of a cold pool in front of ron jeremey.

  • qadsan

Posted January 31, 2003 - 09:31 AM

#16

...and all the sudden i hear a 4stroke right on my rear tire. i got off the trail quick and there he went. it was about as humbling as climbing out of a cold pool in front of ron jeremey.




That's sounds like the experience I'm having with my kids and their friends who I taught how to ride :).

  • XR650Rrider

Posted January 31, 2003 - 02:58 PM

#17

http://www.dirtbikem...tail.asp?id=333

Quote:
After years of coming oh so close, Team Honda's Johnny Campbell and Steve Hengeveld finally won the Best in the Desert Laughlin Hare Scrambles last weekend. "We were on the XR650 for years, but that bike just wasn't made for a race as tight as Laughlin," reported Johnny. "Last year we rode the CRF450 but the bike was brand new and we didn't have any set-up time. This is the first year we've had everything right."

  • FooBarr

Posted January 31, 2003 - 05:33 PM

#18

Ron Jeremey??!!! :) Wasn't he a porn star???!!!! What you doing swimming in cold pools with a porn star???!!! :D
That's it!! Enough of this trash talk of XRs and porn stars. Think I'll hang out over on the WRF formum for a while until this thread drops down a page. :D

Yuck!!!!

  • Alabama_Rider

Posted January 31, 2003 - 07:42 PM

#19

I waited on Honda as long as I could. They haven't responded to the serious Enduro riders needs. I just put money down on my first Yamaha, a WR450F... It may be a Yamaha but I will put red plastic on it...





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