Single track = dead battery


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  • Demo_Slug

Posted October 22, 2008 - 08:48 AM

#1

:p

When I bought my 08WR450, the sales guy said that I’d need to use a battery tender to keep the battery charged, he said that the system only has the juice to keep itself charged and did not have the power to recharge a drained battery. Anyway, I ignored him. And since then my battery was fine until I rode Rubicon, the battery didn’t have the power to start the bike when I stalled it numerous times on Cadillac hill (right when I actually needed e-start the most). I ended up charging it off a jeep with a pair of jumper cables. Fast forward a month, and this weekend at Downieville the e-start/battery starts slowing down right as I’m entering the nastiest river bank climb I’ve ever seen. :lol: If the e-start won’t work in the nasty I’d be better off with a YZ.

Anyway…. After the Rubicon experience, I had decided to check my charging system. Reading thru the manual, I discovered that it said to check the system voltage at 5K RPM. And it occurred to me that the WR charging system might not be very powerfull at low RPMs, and its probable that my dead battery was due to the low RPMs I was running while putting thru hours of tight single track.

Anyway, back to last weekend, after my battery died, I wrung the bike out a bit more and the charge came back on the battery. :lol:

  • Charles De Mar

Posted October 22, 2008 - 09:41 AM

#2

:p

When I bought my 08WR450, the sales guy said that I’d need to use a battery tender to keep the battery charged, he said that the system only has the juice to keep itself charged and did not have the power to recharge a drained battery. Anyway, I ignored him. And since then my battery was fine until I rode Rubicon, the battery didn’t have the power to start the bike when I stalled it numerous times on Cadillac hill (right when I actually needed e-start the most). I ended up charging it off a jeep with a pair of jumper cables. Fast forward a month, and this weekend at Downieville the e-start/battery starts slowing down right as I’m entering the nastiest river bank climb I’ve ever seen. :lol: If the e-start won’t work in the nasty I’d be better off with a YZ.

Anyway…. After the Rubicon experience, I had decided to check my charging system. Reading thru the manual, I discovered that it said to check the system voltage at 5K RPM. And it occurred to me that the WR charging system might not be very powerfull at low RPMs, and its probable that my dead battery was due to the low RPMs I was running while putting thru hours of tight single track.

Anyway, back to last weekend, after my battery died, I wrung the bike out a bit more and the charge came back on the battery. :lol:


I bump start when possible and kick start when the bike is cold. If I'm on flat ground I'll kick the bike too. I have short legs and kick starting can be difficult. The kickstand can be helpful:busted:

  • drtbk4ever

Posted October 22, 2008 - 09:48 AM

#3

Yeah, I use the kickstarter for the first few starts of the day just to save the battery juice for when I REALLY need it. It hasn't let me down yet.

  • William1

Posted October 22, 2008 - 10:04 AM

#4

There are a few things you can do to increase the charging system. A minor rewiring of the stator, disconnection of the headlight, a larger regulator/rectifier and a few minor wiring changes will more than double the output. The Baja Designs DS kit does this for you. If you do not want an entire kit but still want to make the job easy, you could buy the harness, Reg/Rect, stator mod, bar switch and headlight harness. A hour or so would have it installed. A bonus would be retaining the stock headlight, having it work with a Hi/Lo beam and turn it off when not needed (more juice to charge the battery on those pesky single tracks).

my $.03

  • Demo_Slug

Posted October 22, 2008 - 10:42 AM

#5

There are a few things you can do to increase the charging system. A minor rewiring of the stator, disconnection of the headlight, a larger regulator/rectifier and a few minor wiring changes will more than double the output. The Baja Designs DS kit does this for you. If you do not want an entire kit but still want to make the job easy, you could buy the harness, Reg/Rect, stator mod, bar switch and headlight harness. A hour or so would have it installed. A bonus would be retaining the stock headlight, having it work with a Hi/Lo beam and turn it off when not needed (more juice to charge the battery on those pesky single tracks).

my $.03


yeah I was thinking about Ricky stator. $150 for the whole shebang. I also wanted to add some led aux lights that stay on when the bike is off. And some led lights to illuminate under the foot peg area, I’ve put a foot down into oblivion before.

  • Charles De Mar

Posted October 22, 2008 - 11:29 AM

#6

There are a few things you can do to increase the charging system. A minor rewiring of the stator, disconnection of the headlight, a larger regulator/rectifier and a few minor wiring changes will more than double the output. The Baja Designs DS kit does this for you. If you do not want an entire kit but still want to make the job easy, you could buy the harness, Reg/Rect, stator mod, bar switch and headlight harness. A hour or so would have it installed. A bonus would be retaining the stock headlight, having it work with a Hi/Lo beam and turn it off when not needed (more juice to charge the battery on those pesky single tracks).

my $.03


I have this set up, but I didn't feel like typing that much. Thanks William:busted:

  • starfish

Posted October 22, 2008 - 11:44 AM

#7

Hey if your not hitting 5000 rpm then your not riding hard enough. Yes i do mean on tight single track.

  • William1

Posted October 22, 2008 - 12:49 PM

#8

LOL, no problem CDM, you type other stuff that keeps me laughing! :lol:

  • Demo_Slug

Posted October 22, 2008 - 02:16 PM

#9

Hey if your not hitting 5000 rpm then your not riding hard enough. Yes i do mean on tight single track.


:lol: can I have your autograph?

  • William1

Posted October 22, 2008 - 03:35 PM

#10

Well, with 11/55 gearing in 1st, hitting 5K would be easy! :lol:

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  • PBDBLUE

Posted October 22, 2008 - 03:36 PM

#11

Check your charging system out! It should not be having a problem even at lower rpm's. By about 2500 rpm you should be at the voltage regulator limit so riding slow single track should not be an issue. Also disconnecting the headlight will not help. It is fed by an entirely seperate magneto. More likely you either have a sick battery that won't hold a charge or a dead charging system.

  • erickdj

Posted October 22, 2008 - 04:10 PM

#12

I have an 07 and it has never had such issue happen to it. I've even had it sitting for weeks and then it starts right up with the e-start. But mine is quite wound up whenever it's ridden.:p :lol:

  • Demo_Slug

Posted October 22, 2008 - 04:48 PM

#13

like I said, it did fine and charged itself back up once I kept it in first instead of lugging 2nd gear.

  • JSanfilippo

Posted October 22, 2008 - 07:17 PM

#14

Hey if your not hitting 5000 rpm then your not riding hard enough. Yes i do mean on tight single track.


Wait it needs to hit 5000 rpm for the stator to charge the battery?

So my electrical system really is a constant loss system with my short shifting riding style :lol: I owe my buddy an apology :p

  • beezer

Posted October 23, 2008 - 05:54 AM

#15

Once a battery goes bad nothing brings it back.

I had my WR out the other night and the battery was bad and I had to use the kickstarter any time I wanted to start it.

  • William1

Posted October 23, 2008 - 06:59 AM

#16

What???? No Beezer-izms????? My day is ruined!

  • drtbk4ever

Posted October 23, 2008 - 07:08 AM

#17

Once a battery goes bad nothing brings it back.

I had my WR out the other night and the battery was bad and I had to use the kickstarter any time I wanted to start it.


Jeez, Beezer has over 3000 posts and only a quarter tank of "reputation" gas. He is underappreciated!!! I think Beezer just needs some love. Give him some gas for his tank (reputation), give lots and give often.

Then I am sure we will get some Beezer isms.

  • Charles De Mar

Posted October 23, 2008 - 07:18 AM

#18

What???? No Beezer-izms????? My day is ruined!


He hasn't been himself lately.

  • GCannon

Posted October 23, 2008 - 07:42 AM

#19

Check your charging system out! It should not be having a problem even at lower rpm's. By about 2500 rpm you should be at the voltage regulator limit so riding slow single track should not be an issue. Also disconnecting the headlight will not help. It is fed by an entirely seperate magneto. More likely you either have a sick battery that won't hold a charge or a dead charging system.



I was wondering when this would come up! PD Blue is right on as usual!:p

I am no expert on the 450 but I thought the lighting system is powered by AC voltage coils on the stater and the Battery is charged by a separate DC voltage coil on the stater.

SO that no matter what you do to the head light it will not affect the battery charge.

2500 RPMs should be more than enough flywheel speed to generate sufficent power.

Sounds to me like if the charging system is in fact charging and applying proper current to the battery that you should take a serious look at the battery.

You should load test the battery and/or replace the battery. since its ability to store the charging system energy in sufficent capacity is suspect. In other words the battery may have lost its reserve capacity.

Why guess when you can test? and find the real problem.:lol:

  • Just_a_trail_rider

Posted October 23, 2008 - 09:39 AM

#20

:p

When I bought my 08WR450, the sales guy said that I’d need to use a battery tender to keep the battery charged, he said that the system only has the juice to keep itself charged and did not have the power to recharge a drained battery. Anyway, I ignored him. And since then my battery was fine until I rode Rubicon, the battery didn’t have the power to start the bike when I stalled it numerous times on Cadillac hill (right when I actually needed e-start the most). I ended up charging it off a jeep with a pair of jumper cables. Fast forward a month, and this weekend at Downieville the e-start/battery starts slowing down right as I’m entering the nastiest river bank climb I’ve ever seen. :lol: If the e-start won’t work in the nasty I’d be better off with a YZ.

Anyway…. After the Rubicon experience, I had decided to check my charging system. Reading thru the manual, I discovered that it said to check the system voltage at 5K RPM. And it occurred to me that the WR charging system might not be very powerfull at low RPMs, and its probable that my dead battery was due to the low RPMs I was running while putting thru hours of tight single track.

Anyway, back to last weekend, after my battery died, I wrung the bike out a bit more and the charge came back on the battery. :lol:



I bet your charging system isn't that bad at all. Its the cheap ass batteries they put in there. I've just replaced my second battery in three years. The minute they start loosing a little cranking power, just get rid of it.

Also, keep your bike finely tuned so it starts quickly. You only get so many stabs at the button before the battery craps out. Mine starts really easily. Be in neutral when you try to start it. A cold yamaha engine has a very, very grabby clutch that will make it difficult to turn over.




 
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