Wr450 vs crf450 vs ktm520
Posted June 18, 2002 - 06:11 AM
this isnt intended as a flame post,, im just interested in objective opinions
i ride a yz400f with lots of bits on it
i race hare scrambles, practice on mx tracks but dont race mx. and practice in the hills & bogs of wales and also local woods etc.
Power deliver [hit]
10oz flywheel wieght
No Detectable Vibration
a bit heavy
sometimes stalls off bog[i know its a carb thing]
kickstart drill 3 hours into a 4 hour race
sometimes run out of gears [50tooth rear sprocket]
my ideal bike would ideally,,,
look as good as my yzf [clarks tanks and all black plastics,, no graffix]
be as light or lighter then the crf yet ramain robust.
have a 6th high ratio gear
have and electric button
be low maintanance and high performance etc etc
my concerns with each bike are as follows
-lack of engine braking [ i hardly ever use my back brake]
-maybe its a bit flimsey [engine cases cracking when u tighten ,loosen bolts etc]
-power delivery may feel a little mild compared to the hit of the yzf and hit the rev limiter if i down gear it to the tight stuff
-Cam bearings [why oh why dont they run the waterpump from the crank like husabergs]
-maybe a bit too much power
-even if it is lighter then the CFR [doubt it]it will probably still feel heavier due to DOHC
-hmmmmm dont know yet
Posted June 18, 2002 - 08:49 AM
The KTM and (first year though...)Yamaha have proven to be very reliable.
The Honda's issues have been improved.
Do you want a headlight? I ass-u-me the KTM has a coil, if no light. I don't think the Honda would have one stock.
What mods would you do to each bike if you owned that specific model?
I'd start from there. The KTM's forks have been stated as being inferior to KYB and Showa, but how about modified? The linkless rear end of the KTM is attractive to me. I don't think the power of the KTM should worry you. It has been said to be very linear relative to other 4 strokes.
The Yamaha...we'll just have to wait and see how the rags like it. I DO like my WR400. Take off some weight, improve the ergo's, add an e-button, improve the suspension, and that SUPER TRICK airbox...that is BAD!!
I have always liked Honda's. I know oversize tanks exist, but do not know the capacity. It has been a very popular model. THe suspension has been claimed as being real decent, although I would look at getting all of the 3 bikes re-valved for my weight.
Do you have good dealer support? How about a discount on replacement parts, clothing, helmets, etc?
This is the best I can give you.
Posted June 18, 2002 - 09:08 PM
What it comes down too...
KTM... too expensive, hard to get parts and mods.
That leaves the other two.
The new WR450 looks like a major improvement.
The 2nd year CRF450 offers some improvements as well.
Until Honda makes an enduro version I'd give the WR the advantage out of the box.
With minor mods to the CRF it would depend on where you ride.
More major mods to the CRF and it would win hands down!
If Honda introduces an enduro version the CRF wins hands down. I think the XR will remain trails oriented (as is) so whar would they call it? XRR, XRX, FXR (Fast XR ?
Posted June 18, 2002 - 09:51 PM
If you last had a 83 yz-250 and you jumped on a yz-f you would notice they feel similiar.
I like the yz feel.
All the other bikes are great bikes too, no flame.
I just am very partial to yz-s.
Posted June 18, 2002 - 10:21 AM
With that said, i cant wait to see how the WR450 pans out. i probably would have bought one if it was available last year, and waiting until December for one this year is a bummer for those waiting. i have a good buddy who is in that group and i cant wait to ride his.
The Honda sounds great, but fragile, and really needs to many mods for consideration. they MAY fix some of the problems, but if Frogs had wings.......! I'm not really sure why Honda won't dive into the offroad racing arena with a true 450f based competitor to the WR, but until it happens IMHO they are not in the running.
If i had to buy today, it would no doubt be another KTM, if i were to buy early next year i would no doubt have to consider the WR450. based on my past experiance with Yamaha, i believe it will be a great bike. either of these would be wonderful rides, and would serve you well. Good luck with whatever you choose, and when and if you get a WR please let us know how you like it.
Posted June 18, 2002 - 10:26 AM