brp vs. whoop-d-doos



13 replies to this topic
  • BIGANDY

Posted January 02, 2003 - 01:15 PM

#1

this is the start of my third year on a dirt bike, my next goal is getting trough the whoops alittle faster, and hopfully easer. will a brp go over the top of whoops like the smaller bikes, is it a matter of speed, or blurping the throttle at the right time? i have been trying different stuff and can carry the front over all the whoops but if the speed gets up or the whoops get deeper then the back tire trys to go over my head, any tips would be great!

  • rockdodger

Posted January 02, 2003 - 01:34 PM

#2

if you go really fast you only hit the high spots :)
peace
rock

  • redrider650r

Posted January 02, 2003 - 01:35 PM

#3

I pretty much sit on the rear fender when im going through the whoops and dont really feel like the rear tire kicks up as much.

  • TX-SANDMAN

Posted January 02, 2003 - 02:23 PM

#4

The next logical question would be when you do get up enough speed to skip the tops of whoop, how do you keep the BRP from bogging. If my memory serves me correct you have to adjust the float drop level to a lessor travel. Mine boggs in deep whoops and when landing. Any hints? :)

  • qadsan

Posted January 02, 2003 - 03:25 PM

#5

Speed is a big key in getting through them, but I sometimes find it hard to stay on the gas when the trail curves in sandy whoops and sometimes end up going right off the trail and into or through a bush :) What I really hate is when you're going fast in 3rd or 4th through a series of whoops when things are going great and then all of a sudden there's a large whoop or squared edge in a much different sequence :D Throttle response is another thing that helps me get through some nasty bumps (thank you Edelbrock!). Just when I think I'm doing good, along comes a kid on a CR80 that passes me in the real rough stuff where I slow down :D After watching this kid later on in the day, I didn't feel too bad cause he was real good...doing tricks off good sized jumps etc. At least I could roost him good on the straights when things smoothed out a bit :D

Getting your suspension revalved can go a long ways toward helping the bike behave better. If you're finding the back end kicking up at certain speeds on certain kinds of bumps, a suspension tuner can make your bike behave better in situations like that. The stock clickers for compression and rebound are mostly good for low speed stuff, but a suspension tuner can modify the internals and change the low, mid and high speed dampening to suit your riding needs. It's a bit of money, but it sure does make a significant difference in the way your bike behaves.

  • FooBarr

Posted January 03, 2003 - 06:24 PM

#6

Big Andy,
If you are in deed a big guy, then you need new springs and a re-valve. I'm 5'10" and 190lbs. With the stock suspesion settings I was scraping over every other whoop. I had my suspension done by Dick's racing here in Vegas. It was night and day and I have yet messed with the clickers since getting my suspenders back from Dick. He was that spot on. I am much faster in the whoops and I only bottom occasionally. Dick also knows the BRP pretty well. He set up and raced a few in the 24 Glen Helen back in 00. He's also a big guy, probably 250 and 6' 10".
The moral of the story is correctly tuned suspension, and it makes floating over the top 50% less effort with some increase in speed.
Don't forget the the steering stabalizer, it keeps the back end where it belongs instead of trying to pass you :D.

For those of you from SoCal, maybe you need a road trip to Vegas. Dick's shop is only 5 minutes away from the new Cannery Casino that opened up on the northeast side. Dick only needed 2 days to tuned my suspenders and would probably work something out for dudes from out of town. Better than losing them in the mail. :D

Then on the way home you could stop off at Dumont Dunes. :)

  • loufish

Posted January 03, 2003 - 10:12 PM

#7

The Scotts steering stabilizer helped a lot, but I'm also a big guy, and in need of a spring change and suspension job.

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  • Moredesert

Posted January 08, 2003 - 12:05 PM

#8

Qadsan is right about the revalving. My DRZ runs much faster in the whoops than the XR. I almost killed myself twice in the whoops when I got my bike. I rode a bike with the suspension done by Percision Concepts and it is a night and day difference. I just need $500 so I can get mine done. For now I'll take it slow in the whoops because I can't afford to crash by brains out anymore.

  • BIGANDY

Posted January 08, 2003 - 12:11 PM

#9

sorry for the late reply my power has been out, i had the suspension done at procircut, it did become a whole new bike as far as the stableizer, my be i should make it a little harder, but the back whent more up then around.

  • qadsan

Posted January 08, 2003 - 12:44 PM

#10

but the back whent more up then around.



You may want to contact Pro Circuit and let them know what's happening. Perhaps they can offer a suggestion or two and they might ask you to bring the bike back in for a second round of tuning. Many suspension shops offer guarantees to get your suspension tuned to your needs and they don't always get it right the first time, although it seems like they do most of the time. Just make sure to document any bad habbits and they'll probably retune your suspension to fix/improve it.

  • BIGANDY

Posted January 08, 2003 - 01:34 PM

#11

thanks qadsan, i will give them a call, also i am going to get my but over the back fender more :)

  • Serpexc

Posted January 09, 2003 - 11:23 AM

#12

I was there when Moredesert crashed his brains out, you could hear the thump from that BRP hitting the ground from a mile away! :)

  • Moredesert

Posted January 09, 2003 - 02:00 PM

#13

No Keith that was my ass hitting the ground that made that thump. :)

  • Wilson-1

Posted January 13, 2003 - 08:24 AM

#14

Riding whoops takes big commitment on the bike. It was also my weakest point in riding desert. I have worked hard in the last 6 months to improve my technique and ability in this area. Some of these things may help you:
Set you suspension a bit stiffer if you plan to ride lots of whoops on your ride, a few clicks of additional compression and rebound may make a huge difference in the whoops. Conditioning is a huge factor if you ride any length in the whoops, you quickly see how much they can take out of you if you’re in poor shape. No other area in riding is as punishing as a 50 to 100 yard deep desert whoop field. Commitment is key lean back, keep on the gas and try not to let your front wheel land in the valley of the next whoop. This was my biggest problem not fully committing to a series of whoops and letting off the gas half way through. It is much easier to skip a bit over the tops when you can, and much less fatiguing. Ride with an experienced rider who can give you some advice while riding, this will be a huge help. Hope this gives you some insite, good luck.





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