2009 KTM 505 xcf reviews??
Posted August 27, 2008 - 04:51 PM
Posted August 28, 2008 - 06:22 AM
As I have an SXF, I am a little slower in top speed with the closer ratio tranny, but I can tell you that the power is not comparable. I ride with X's all the time, and one of my buddies was so pissed at the speed of my bike over his that he ordered all the R parts for his X the next day. And it still is not as fast (until I top out at around 80mph) as my bike is stone stock. The big disadvatange to the power (for me) is that I can dystroy a rear tire in about 10 hours of ride time. I've started to spit chunks off the center in under 5 hours. My fancy orange plated chain out of the KTM hard parts catalog lasted just about that long too before it was junk.
The 505 is 30 pounds lighter than the X. It is noticeable. The front brake on the KTM is way better than the Honda brake. The rear is not as good, it tends to be a little grabby IMO. But that may just be the way it feels because the front is so good that the back of the bike stays very light under braking making it easier to lock up the wheel.
On the plus side for the Honda is that it does have lights stock. I ride in the dark all the time, and although the stock X light isn't the greatest, a simple bulb change nets you enough candlepower to get the job done. The X in stock form is much quieter, and the power is easier to deal with. The 505 is an absolute monster in the power department. If you compare a 450 as a replacement for a 250 two stroke, the 505 is more like a replacement for a 500 two stroke. There may only be 27cc of difference in displacement, but the actuality of the change is monumental.
The other thing going for the Honda is that it is, well, a Honda. You can find a dealer almost anywhere, and they sell so many X's that it is super easy to get parts OEM or aftermarket (and they are pretty cheap). If you get a 505 be prepared to only get parts (other than plastics) from KTM. Be prepared to spend way more for those parts. Know that every now and then you may be waiting a long time for those parts.
Posted August 28, 2008 - 09:51 AM
Posted August 30, 2008 - 02:07 PM
Motor: The 570 was faster and produced more torque but the 505 more than holds its own. All things equal, I like the 505 motor more than the 570 although they were both great motors. Everybody says the 505 motor is a monster, which I really disagree with. It produces a lot of power but is very, very manageable.
Handling: No comparison. The new chassis handles much, much better. Although I'm a slow, fat old dude, the bike makes me feel like a hero.
Suspension: MX-Tech revalves all my bikes and does a great job. Consequentially I don't have much of a stock reference point.
Brakes: No comparison. The '08 brakes rock (at least compared to the 2002). I also have a 2004 CR500AF and the KTM's brakes are much better than it too.
In summary, my 520 was the best bike I have ever ridden. That was, until I road the 505. Yeah, in my opinion, it's THAT much better.
Hope that helps!
Posted August 30, 2008 - 10:35 PM
Posted September 05, 2008 - 09:22 AM
Posted September 05, 2008 - 10:10 AM
Posted September 06, 2008 - 07:07 PM
Posted September 07, 2008 - 01:04 PM
Are these bikes reliable? I've never ridden a KTM but have always been curious. They look awesome.
yes - but I have only had mine for a year - all good to date.
Posted September 08, 2008 - 07:15 AM
I´ll be heading down to Austria in the end of September to pick up my new ride. A 450 SXF -09. While there i´ll try to get a change to try out the 505 XCF-09.I´ll report my findings...
Posted September 10, 2008 - 07:38 PM
Posted September 14, 2008 - 05:37 PM
Posted September 14, 2008 - 07:55 PM
i weight 250 lbs without gear.i was thinking of buying a 450 xc i want a bike that will work for the desert and on a track some times.i am not a big track guy but its fun to ride the track from time to time is the 505 a better bike being that i am a bigger guy.will i not be happy with the 450 xc.
I would say that depends on your riding style. Definitely you will like the extra power in the sand but it's not like the 450 won't get you around fine. The 450 will probably be a little easier to manage but if you ride aggressively and attack stuff you may like the extra power. I just spent 3 days in the sand dunes and there were a couple 230-240 lbs plus guys in the group on 450's and they got around great though they won't win any hill climbs against lighter guys they still climb everything easily. The 505 did take a little getting use to on the track vs. my yzf 450 as there is a lot more power to the ground feeling but it's very smooth and after 3 or 4 hours of track time I hardly ever threw my leg over the yzf again. Either bike will get you around fine, it comes down to personal preferance so try to find a 505 to ride and see, personally I love it. As far as the track goes the xc does great, it's no enduro bike but rather an mx bike set up for the trails.
Posted September 14, 2008 - 08:07 PM
Posted September 14, 2008 - 08:33 PM
Posted September 14, 2008 - 08:52 PM
i ride a 2005 525 mxc and want something newer and lighter but would hate to give up power for a lighter 450xcf thats why i was thinking about the 505 xcf
then the 505 would be a great choice. I have rode the 525 in the dunes, the track, and in the woods (a friend has an 04 or 03?) and I would say the 505 has all the power only more responsive and the ride is very light feeling. It's like putting your 525 motor in a 450 mx frame (only lighter). Actually I found in the sand (at least in the dunes with a paddle) the 525 didn't perform near as powerful as I had thought, it doesn't spin as fast as the high reving 450/505 motor (lacks top end) so even though it got you around and has endless bottom end it had trouble with some of the real steep long climbs - anyway I would take a 450 any day over the 525 for the dunes and on the track it felt too tanky. The same things that make a bike fun on the track like cornering and flickability can make it a very fast and fun woods/trails bike as well. The 505 is really just the most powerful 450 out there, it's that simple. You will love it, coming off a 525 the handling will feel like a 250 to you. Ask your dealer for names of owners who might let you ride one or be like me and buy it, hope for the best, then realize it's the funnest bike you have ever rode.
Posted September 14, 2008 - 09:12 PM
Posted September 15, 2008 - 07:03 AM
Posted September 15, 2008 - 02:26 PM
If you really like the bottom end surge of your 525, you will be better off to go with the single cam motor in the 530 opposed to the twin cam 450/505.
The guy did really like the light weight of the 505, but he realized that he could not come to grips with the motor. He is just not the kind of guy that likes to run a motor that hard. He rode a 530 and 450 in the sohc motors, and now has a '09 450 XCR-W on order.