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[MathProf TT Silver Member]

I don't race anymore so the single track is my world.

Just for some context: I won championships in A class Enduros.

4 years later, I still run Tubliss because loss of pressure won't make me stop and disassemble the bike in the middle of no where.

I can always finish the ride back to the truck.

Aren't Mousse are pretty expensive and they don't last a full season?

I have found that a couple things:
1. Rim lock torque is critical.
2. The rim lock nut is too big for KTM rims. It won't sit "flat" on the rims. It sits on the spoke bumps.
3. 1 out of 3 people will always be unhappy with anything.

[n16ht5 TT Titanium Member]

Update... Is there a video of doing a trailside fix with putting a reg tube in? I put a michelin trial X light... Probably not something I would want to ride flat for a long ways. I have a hard time getting the tire off with the tubeless tires with my little trail irons...

Anyone rode out on a flat trial tire?

[SS109 TT Platinum Member]

Why would you put a tube in? Do the tubeless tire plugs not work on a trials tire? The normall fix for a knobby is to just plug it using an automotive tubeless tire plug kit, cut off the excess plug, use a CO2 inflator to air it back up, and ride for the rest of the day!

Edited by SS109, 03 June 2012 - 07:13 PM.

[n16ht5 TT Titanium Member]

Im talking if I slash the sidewall or something.. I plug tires all the time.


SS109 as in the ammunition?

[SS109 TT Platinum Member]

n16ht5, on 03 June 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

Im talking if I slash the sidewall or something.. I plug tires all the time.


SS109 as in the ammunition?

Ah, I see now. Yes, like the ammunition!

[n16ht5 TT Titanium Member]

Mmmm, steel core goodness. No gun safe is complete without a case.

Im going to run my trials tire until In slash a sidewall, then Ill go back to a monster knobby, like the Dessert IT.

Edited by n16ht5, 04 June 2012 - 04:41 AM.

[2-Stix TT Member]

I tire slashed a Dunlop 756 and rode 100 miles on it. Thinnest tire ever to do so on and it still worked. Tried a plug. To big of a gash. no damage to the system or rim. And tons of traction lol.

[SS109 TT Platinum Member]

n16ht5, on 04 June 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

Mmmm, steel core goodness. No gun safe is complete without a case.

I agree!

n16ht5, on 04 June 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

Im going to run my trials tire until In slash a sidewall, then Ill go back to a monster knobby, like the Dessert IT.

I really think Tubliss and the Maxxis IT/Desert IT go together. To get the Maxxis to really grip up you need low pressure and the Tubliss allows you to do that. I love my IT at 6psi as it just flat out hooks!

Edited by SS109, 04 June 2012 - 06:03 AM.

[Chas_M TT Addict]

SS109, on 03 June 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

Why would you put a tube in? Do the tubeless tire plugs not work on a trials tire? The normall fix for a knobby is to just plug it using an automotive tubeless tire plug kit, cut off the excess plug, use a CO2 inflator to air it back up, and ride for the rest of the day!

That is correct.  Tire plugs do not work with true trials tires as their carcasses are too thin and flimsy to hold a plug.  Tire plugs however do work well with the heavier duty Pirelli MT43 'trials' tire.

[SS109 TT Platinum Member]

Chas_M, on 04 June 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:

That is correct.  Tire plugs do not work with true trials tires as their carcasses are too thin and flimsy to hold a plug.  Tire plugs however do work well with the heavier duty Pirelli MT43 'trials' tire.

Thanks for the info. I guess that is just one more reason for me to stick with knobbies!

[2-Stix TT Member]

Dirty Sanchez, on 03 October 2010 - 06:40 AM, said:

What I'm finding out is that dirtbike tire get punctures in them quite often. A lot of the time those holes are too big for sealant, thus rendering Tubliss useless. This has happened to me 3 tires in the past 2 months.

The Tubliss kits are very good while they work, but I'm going back to tubes for now.

i run tire plugs.  i have had 2-3 plugs in different locations, stacked a few in the same bigger hole...they work great, take about 10 mins and your up and riding.  way better than changing a pinch flat.

[n16ht5 TT Titanium Member]

thread revival!

I did run my trials tire until it shredded to pieces, now I am back on a desert it. slime and plugs, yes

[yz133rider TT Gold Member]

I did not read the full thread pinching tubes during tire changes is my biggest Moto maintenance pet peve. Do these help with that?

Any Moto guys running these? Im sorry for not reading the last bunch of pages but on a phone so its a real pain

[Sierra_rider Arguing for arguing's sake.]

yz133rider, on 07 March 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

I did not read the full thread pinching tubes during tire changes is my biggest Moto maintenance pet peve. Do these help with that?

Any Moto guys running these? Im sorry for not reading the last bunch of pages but on a phone so its a real pain

Installing a tire with a tubliss system is a little bit different technique, but once you figure it out, it's actually easier to do. The inner tube goes on fairly easy and won't pinch as long as you don't force it.

[mylsmkj TT Silver Member]

I have tubliss front and rear on my 200 2t and run UHD tubes on my 400xc-w.  I usually run a MT43 rear on both because they last so long, though I prefer a good knobby rear over 50% of the time but I get 3 times the life out of the "trials tire" and know the cornering, braking and clay mud deficiencies, so I'm good with it.  Tubliss is great on mountain ST and is certainly not fool proof (plug kit required and extra 21" tube).  Living in Moab Utah I see plenty of rocks, technical terrain and fast desert, tubliss sucks there!  You lose air even set up well and using Stan's (much better than Slime).

Slow ST great, going fast sucks.

[GHILL28 TT Gold Member]

Don't use Stans in it.  It turns solid under heat.  Works fine for a mountain bike tire where you're going 30mph max, and usually not for long periods of time.  On a moto tire, no way.  Slime only.

I use it in the desert and it works well.  For the above stated reasons, I don't really have to stop or mess with the bike or anything if I do flat.  Slows me down only a little bit, especially with a rear flat.  15psi and I seem to be fine at race speeds.

[mylsmkj TT Silver Member]

Thanks ghill, I'll try to go back to slime and see if things change.  I use my 200 for slower stuff mostly, but I'll check it out.  Also Moab is pretty warm in summer.  I'd love to delete the air pressure loss, that I attribute to hard hits on square edges (very, very common here).

Edited by mylsmkj, 08 March 2013 - 01:24 PM.

[Chas_M TT Addict]

mylsmkj, on 08 March 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

I see plenty of rocks, technical terrain and fast desert, tubliss sucks there!  You lose air even set up well and using Stan's (much better than Slime).

Slow ST great, going fast sucks.

I'll have to disagree with these statements.  I have been using Tubliss front and rear going on 4 years now.  Yes they are great for single-track however, I find that they are also great for rocks, technical terrain and fast desert.  I have never had an issue with air leakage and in fact find that Tubliss holds air as well as or better than tubed tires.  Note that I do use Slime for purposes primarily as a mounting lubricant.  I have had a number of puncture flats, all of which were quickly and easily plug repaired.  The single exception was my experiment of using Tubliss with a competition IRC trials tire where the thin tire punctured too easily and was too flimsy to hold a repair plug.  I have successfully used Tubliss with a variety of knobbies on several bikes plus the MT43 on my HTR 350.

[mylsmkj TT Silver Member]

Without knowing I'd guess that folks who aren't losing air are going mid-B level speed (tops) or below or don't hit square edge sandstone all of the time.   I'll check Slime out again....but I have my doubts....like I used it (Slime) for 3 months and they leaked on two sets of rims, all going fast and taking a pounding.  Used Stan's for 2 months, it's been fairly good but it's winter and still lose a bit of air in a tank ride.

GHILL was polite to me (thanks GHILL) so I'll take his advice,  I can get away with it for a bit under half of the riding I do. I have to admit these last 2 posts are in spite just because I feel like I was disrespected (although I believe what I say, but wouldn't belittle anyone on a public forum, unless they did it to me)...no such feeling with ghill's post to correct me.  Just because you have big bores on your bikes does not lead me to believe you can ride, suspension on the other hand, would make me have a "little" hunch.

Edited by mylsmkj, 10 March 2013 - 01:37 PM.

[mylsmkj TT Silver Member]

So that was my A-hole post and I don't know how to erase it, hopefully Chas will be ok with that!   Just so folks know Chas is always willing to help, and has helped me a time or two, I'm the gremlin in the closet, sorry.

Edited by mylsmkj, 10 March 2013 - 01:32 PM.