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How to: Service 2008 Steering Damper (lots of pics)

Control Steering Damper / Stabilizers Honda CRF450R 2008

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  • armourbl

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Posted 02 April 2008 - 07:23 PM


Below is a how to article I've put together that demonstrates how to service the 2008 Honda Progressive Steering Damper.

A friend of mine was brave enough to take his apart and feel out the process. I've taken and tried to perfect it along with instructions and photos.

Let me start by saying this damper is built just like a rear shock. In the picture below the item marked number 1 acts like the nitrogen bladder on a shock, only instead of a rubber bladder there is a piston and spring. The item marked number 2 is the shaft and has the seal head and valve piston and shims. Item number 3 is the adjust knob -- which we will not remove during the service of the damper.

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Start by removing the damper and clean it really good. This will prevent any dirt from contaminating the work area and internals of the damper.

Next, place the damper in a bench vise with the bottom facing up. Then remove the two circlips. I don't recommend using anything but circlip pliers for this job. The area is tight on space and you don't want to risk weakening the clips or scratching an surfaces. NOTE: When you slip the circlip off of the shaft, do it as close to the eyelet and bearing as possible. You don't want to scratch the shaft surface where the seals ride.

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Next we need to remove the plastic cap on the spring side of the damper. The cap has two flat sides. Use a pair of needle nose vise grips set with just barely enough gripping force as to not damage the plastic cap. Then very slowly pull the cap out giving care to the rubber o-ring wrapped around the cap. You can actuate the shaft of the valve piston to help push the cap out as well.

Someone else made the discovery that the hole in the center of the plastic cap is threaded. You can thread the correct size bolt into the hole and use this to pull the cap out instead of pliers.

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Under the cap will be the spring. Remove the spring.

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Under the spring will be the piston, which looks a lot like an engine piston. It has a recessed hole that is threaded. Find a spare bolt with the same thread pattern and thread it in a few turns. Then lift out the piston slowly, giving care to the rubber o-ring wrapped around the piston.

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Here is what the piston looks like after you have removed it.

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Now slowly pull out the shaft along with the seal head and valve piston. You can wiggle this back and forth a bit in the process. Just be careful for the rubber o-ring again.

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Here are the parts you should have laid out now.

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An amazing discovery here is there isn't much oil in this damper from the factory, and the quality of it doesn't seem to be very good either. In the syringe (is that how you spell that) below you can see there is about 14 cc or ml of oil in the damper. I have 28 hours on my bike and look at the oil. When I'm done with the rebuild, I'm guessing there is about 20 cc or more oil in the damper.

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A friend picked this up for me at the dollar store. It was in the kitchen area with the pots and pans and other kitchen tools. Marinate Injector. It really makes doing this job easy because you can control how much oil you pour in to the cavities.

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Ok, now make sure everything is clean. Spray some brake cleaner inside the damper cavities and blow it out with compressed air. Then place the damper body back in the bench vise and fill the spring side cavity slowly with the oil of your choice until it is filled to the top with no more oil transfer into the valve piston cavity.

I'm using Maxima Performance 5W Fork Oil. Just for reference you could use whatever weight you want. The thicker, the heavier the action will be on the damper. My friend is actually testing out Rotella in his at the moment, but has no ride time with it. It is much stiffer than stock with the Rotella, but I wouldn't say extreme. With the 5W Fork Oil, mine is now noticable at the stiffest setting on the adjuster.

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Next we will insert the spring piston back into the damper body. The goal during this process is to have no air trapped below the spring piston. Very very slowly insert the piston at an angle that allows any air under to float to the top before the o-ring begins to seal. Only insert the piston a short distance. We don't want it to drop too far. Then remove the bolt.

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Now, air can be compressed, but oil cannot. So, insert a shop rag and soak up any oil on top of the piston. The area above the piston where the spring is located is the only place we want air in the system. Without air here, the damper will hydraulic and you will get no performance from the damper.

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Now insert the spring and push it in until the top of the spring is about flush with the top of the cavity.

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Now place the cap on top of the spring. I found that pressing it in can be kind of tough with big fingers, so I used a phillips head screw driver along with my free hand to tempt it into place. Do you best to only push it in far enough to be able to install the circlip. We want to keep as much oil as we can under the spring piston without any pressure on the spring.

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After you install the circlip, the oil level will look something like this without over flowing the top. At this point, there isn't any force on the plastic cap or circlip. It will pop fully into position during the last steps of the installation.

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Slide the seal head as far as possible from the valve piston. You do this so that when you insert it into the oil, you can raise and lower the valve piston to bleed out any trapped air in the valve piston and shims.

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Raise and lower the valve piston in the damper body deep enough that the seal head doesn't touch the oil and only high enough that the o-ring on the valve piston maintains a seal on the damper body. If you accidently raise it higher than the seal, it is OK as long as you don't raise it higher than the oil level. Do this until you see no more air bubbles coming to the surface.

Keep the oil level at the top of the damper body during the bleed process. Top it off again after you see no more air bubbles.

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Now raise the valve piston as high as you can without breaking o-ring seal on the body. Then, with the oil level still topped off, lower the seal head very slowly so that about half of it is still exposed. You should see the trapped air from under the seal head bleed out through the oil.

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Press the seal head with your fingers as far as you can into the damper body. It will not go in far enough at first to get the circlip in. This is OK. While pushing down on the seal head, actuate the shaft down and up. Repeating the process several times. You should see more air and some oil bleed past the seal head in the process until you eventually have the seal head almost recessed enough to install the circlip.

Again, the goal is to get all of the air out of the system, except for where the spring is located.

When you think you are close to getting enough space to install the circlip, place it on top of the seal head. Remember to slip the circlip over the shaft as close to the eyelet and bearing as possible. You don't want to scratch the shaft surface where the seals ride.

Connect you circlip pliers to the circlip with one hand. Then use a shop towel under the thumb of your other hand and push on the seal head and circlip until it snaps into place.

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Now remove the damper from the bench vise and check that the shaft freely travels through the entire range of movement. You also want to listen for any trapped air. If you hear air or the travel is restricted, you need to start the rebuild process over.

I hope you find this how to article useful. I'm not expert, so I'm willing to hear from anyone who has perfected the process better than I've outlined above. The goal is to make this a doable project for anyone.

This rebuild can be completed in about 15 minutes from start to finish with the right tools.

ben

  • TDC51

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Posted 02 April 2008 - 07:31 PM


nice writeup and pics, but how does it perform now on the bike? :prof:

  • armourbl

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Posted 02 April 2008 - 07:35 PM


For you tuners out there, here is the valve stack. And yes, I double checked the measurements.

17 x 1.6 (washer)
16 x 0.2
11.5 x 0.2
12 x 0.2
13 x 0.2
14 x 0.2
15 x 0.2
16 x 0.2
17 x 0.15
17 x 0.2
17 x 0.2
valve piston
17 x 0.15
17 x 0.15
17 x 0.15
16 x 0.15
10 x 0.15
9 x 0.2
16 x 0.15
16 x 0.2
17 x 1.6 (washer)

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ben

  • armourbl

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Posted 02 April 2008 - 07:38 PM


rickk said:

nice writeup and pics, but how does it perform now on the bike? :prof:

Just did the rebuild, pics, and write-up tonight. Haven't ridden the bike yet as a result.

But, I can say that it feels pretty good on the stand. Better than before. Feels like it might actually dampen now. But with the 5W Fork Oil, I doubt I'll feel it in the bars while riding as you would with a traditional damper or heavier oil.

ben

  • Honda_250f_rider

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Posted 02 April 2008 - 08:25 PM


Thankyou!!! :prof: :bonk: :confused:

This is what I have been looking for/waiting for. Probably much better than the service manual. Lots of nice pictures/descriptions.

I am def. going to do a rebuild on my damper in the next few days. I got about 27 hrs on my bike right now.

This deserves to be a sticky at the top of the CRF450R and CRF250R forums

  • Jimbo45

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Posted 02 April 2008 - 08:42 PM


Smells like a sticky to me!
Very nice job.  Man, I need to get some time on mine, so I have an excuse to take it apart!

  • spoed

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Location: South Africa

Posted 02 April 2008 - 10:59 PM


Very nice write up. I had a thought, what if you submerge the whole unit in oil while you put the main piston in. Do you think it would make bleeding reduntant. Just a thought to make my life easier.

  • kelstr

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Posted 03 April 2008 - 03:28 AM


what a great write up Ben, those pictures are priceless !!:bonk:
thats the way to do a how to article :confused:
jimbo45 is correct , -----------this needs to be a sticky :prof:

i have been trying different fluids also in some of these , and it makes one hell of a difference on the range of the damping you can acheive from this little unit .;)

  • Dr.Crankenstien

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Posted 03 April 2008 - 05:06 AM


Thank you NICE write-up.

One thing I noticed you could use are the rubber covers that go over you vise-clamps to help protect scarring up any parts when clamping down.(just a suggestion).Once again thanks for the write-up:thumbsup:

  • armourbl

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Location: Arizona

Posted 03 April 2008 - 06:36 AM


spoed said:

Very nice write up. I had a thought, what if you submerge the whole unit in oil while you put the main piston in. Do you think it would make bleeding reduntant. Just a thought to make my life easier.

Yes, after you complete the piston and spring side, you could submerge the unit. I know that is how some people prefer to do it, but to me it will waste oil and in my mind be harder to manage.

The method I used is just like what you do for a shock when you service it. If you go slow, you don't get much over flow of oil and the mess is minimal.

ben

  • RedRider_450

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Posted 03 April 2008 - 06:56 AM


This is a very good write up

  • CaptKirk450

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Posted 03 April 2008 - 07:45 AM


Very nice article Ben. Very well done. You may end up being the Hugh Hefner of TT if you keep this up. I'll just read the articles.

  • squidracer

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Posted 03 April 2008 - 08:57 AM


Good Job!

  • Honda_250f_rider

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Posted 03 April 2008 - 05:32 PM


I just finished changing the oil in the damper on my crf250r. Process went well.

One thing to add. When removing the plastic cap, do not use visegrips or pliers because you will start chunking away at the top. There are threads in the plastic cap that you can thread in a bolt and pull out the cap.

  • spoed

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Posted 03 April 2008 - 10:16 PM


My 450 has given me the odd serious headshake. I know the damper is made for cornering stability, but if i put in a heavier oil, will it help headshake?

  • dearden911

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 02:42 AM


Anyone thought about remounting the dampener so it works for head stability?

i was thinking if you mounted it side on somehow it would work instantly, anyone got ideas?

  • Honda_250f_rider

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 05:57 AM


A thicker oil should help with the headshake, not to mention just changing out the stock oil, b/c the stock stuff isn't that great. I noticed slightly more resistance/dampening (on the bench) after I changed mine. I used Belray 5 wt fork oil.

So if you use some 10wt fork oil, the dampening should be greater. But the headshake may also mean you have to mess with your fork clickers a bit.

  • kelstr

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 06:17 AM


dearden911 said:

Anyone thought about remounting the dampener so it works for head stability?

i was thinking if you mounted it side on somehow it would work instantly, anyone got ideas?

i have mounted one sidways and filled it with engine oil for a desert guy .

but i had to add threaded stops to the steering stop part of the clamps because the range of motion was to much for the damper.

this does work , i just want to do it alittle better and cleaner.

  • armourbl

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 07:04 AM


Honda_250f_rider said:

I just finished changing the oil in the damper on my crf250r. Process went well.

One thing to add. When removing the plastic cap, do not use visegrips or pliers because you will start chunking away at the top. There are threads in the plastic cap that you can thread in a bolt and pull out the cap.

Thanks for the tip. I added it to the instructions.

ben

  • BDOG510

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Posted 04 April 2008 - 11:22 AM


Great write up.  Looks pretty simple and I might would be willing to try and tackle this.

The damper is definately better since Total Control tweaked mine.  It is pretty draggy feeling turned so I have mine at 10 out and it is still noticable.


Thanks Ben.


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