Decisions, Yamaha WR450, KTM 525EXC or 450EXC
Posted November 06, 2002 - 03:02 PM
to make the final decision. Take into account that I'm a lard a$$, 6'2", 210lbs and ride 80% woods,
10% on a homemade track and 10% on fast fire trails. I may get into hare scrambles, someday, but
that will be as close to racing as I’ll ever get. I’ve only ridden about 5 years on a real bike but I found
the 520EXC more manageable than my 360. I plan on keeping this bike at least 10 years
(the 360 is going a little early).
I've narrowed my decision down between the KTM 525EXC, 450EXC and the Yamaha WR450,
rejecting Cannondale, Honda, VOR, Husaburg and others for things like long term part availability,
being boat anchors et cetera, et cetera. Below is how I’ve rated the different characteristics, I’ve only
actually ridden the 520EXC and a (YZ250) so most of the ratings I’ve deduced from Magazines. Because most Mags
are written for the MX group I have a hard time knowing how well their critiques transfer to woods
riding. Please let me know where I’m off base.
Note: I’m not including cost, by the time you update the WR with good foot pegs, a comfortable
seat, handle bars, triple clamps, flywheel weight, o-ring chain, hyd clutch and frame protectors
the cost is very close. Most of the above is to get more comfortable on the WR, the EXC just seems
to fit better and wouldn't require the above alterations.
Engine 525EXC=10 450EXC=8 WR450=9 WR needs flywheel weight
Drivetrain 525EXC=10 450EXC=10 WR450=9 KTM has hyd clutch + 6 speeds
Handling 525EXC=8 450EXC=8.5 WR450=9.5 KTM new offset triple clamp
Suspension 525EXC=8 450EXC=8 WR450=9.5 Yam has best for MX, for woods?
Ergos 525EXC=9 450EXC=9 WR450=8 Yam will need seat, pegs, bars and t-clamp
Breaks 525EXC=9 450EXC=9 WR450=9
Weight 525EXC=9 450EXC=9 WR450=9 A bigger diff would be if I could lose lbs.
Part Avail 525EXC=8 450EXC=8 WR450=10 I own a KTM - I Know
Relib/Durability 525EXC=10 450EXC=10 WR450=9 Yam looks old quick, KTM is higher quality
Starting 525EXC=10 450EXC=10 WR450=9.5 Yam got better but not as good as KTM
So after adveraging the scores the WR450=9.15 the 525EXC=9.10 and the 450EXC=8.95. So where do
Posted November 06, 2002 - 03:17 PM
Posted November 06, 2002 - 03:31 PM
To be honest I have never had a problem starting my bike, usually on the first or second kick, but the magic button will be nice when you fall on the side of those hills Hope that helps, If you ride blue you won't be disapointed
Posted November 06, 2002 - 03:39 PM
Posted November 06, 2002 - 04:03 PM
Posted November 06, 2002 - 06:22 PM
Posted November 06, 2002 - 10:06 PM
Obviously being in the blue forum we will tell The yamaha is best .
You should wait for the WR450 to see if you like it
The WR's have always been a cut above the rest of the competition and they dont break.
Posted November 07, 2002 - 02:01 AM
Most of the "goodies" I've listed is to open up the cockpit. Your right, the WR isn't out yet but I'm sure it will have the same ergos as the YZ. I've riddend other YZ and I seem cramped (maybe it's something I have to get use to). The only other "necessity" would be the flywheel weight. Two of the YZ riders in my group had much better control after the weight installation.
Posted November 07, 2002 - 02:15 AM
Posted November 07, 2002 - 02:49 AM
I just got my wr 426 wr 2002. I'm 6-2 and at 220. I tell you, when I ride that beast I seem to be 20 years younger with 50 pounds less . I think that weight is not a major factor for these machines, as you can adjust and install stiffer suspension parts to fit your needs. Concerning power, (even in stock form), it is not a concern for me there is plenty of it. But remember that if your are in good shape you will be faster
All the bikes you chose are great machines. I think the same thing as the other guys, the best dealer for you and the $$$ for new parts should be decisive factors.
I got all the protection for the bike, skid plate, rad guard, bushguard, frame guard, and a handlebar with a higher rise. I have no regrets, as for the rest I'll see as it comes along.
Posted November 07, 2002 - 03:21 AM
i notice you mentioned wanting 10-yr reliability and parts availability, but didn't mention any of the XR line??????
i know the 650 is a joke for most trail purposes, i've ridden a friend's, and it's so wide and heavy its like straddling a cow. (moo)
the xr400 has to be the most reliable bike on the planet, has more than enough power for trailriding like you describe, and did i mention it's reliable?!?!?!
I know it's a little heavy, but that would give incentive to become less of a self proclaimmed lard @$$, wouldn't it
(bike weight + rider weight = total weight, therefore if you reduce rider weight, you have less total weight)
but, if you still don't want to consider it, then you'll still be happy with either of the two bikes you choose, just know that the WR always has been, and prob. always will be a stand-up, moto style bike that rewards a rider willing to go at it full bore 100% if the time.
not sure about hte exc line of the katooms, but rode a 520sx, and it's bottom end seemed awefully soft for trailwork. i imagine the exc has a lower first gear, though.
have fun roosting whatever you get.
p.s. personnally i think an XR50 would be your perfect trail bike.. get stuck and you can pick it up and carrry it out or throw it up over the top of the hill
Posted November 07, 2002 - 05:01 AM
My partner rides an XR400R 99 which is heavier and has way less power than my 426'01 but he would be able to kick my a... everytime we ride only because he rode hard in 1999 and 2000 and I did not follow him at that time because my work did not allow me to... Experience is everything! (almost) The time you spend trying to compare is not invested in riding and getting experienced: buy the bike, ride the bike and have fun my friend!
The KTM 520? Isn't it that bike that Dirt Bike Mag mentioned to be: "ridiculously too powerful" last year?
Posted November 07, 2002 - 05:28 AM
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Posted November 07, 2002 - 03:26 PM