Powder Coated Frame!


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  • Huffa 2

Posted March 27, 2008 - 07:36 PM

#21

Looks really nice buddy but one thing I noticed that just will not work, you can't run full length seal savers on the fork tubes, no way.

They are only supposed to over lap about 1-2" at most beyond the fork seals.

What you have on there are for inverted forks, I used them myself on a 450 but found in mud conditions they actually held mud in place arond the seals and probably decreased seal life so I took them off.

My taste, I'd rather see your bike with the OEM fork boots back on anyway, they sort of give an illusion that the forks are a bit beiffier then they really are, the savers give it a wimp look, you don't think so ?

  • Ch47_pilot

Posted March 27, 2008 - 09:31 PM

#22

All I need now are new Fenders. Man I cant wait till more of the snow melts.:prof:



Just cut 6 inches off the stock ugly "duck bill" front fender and it changes everything. In this case, I cut out the sides as well, as a safety precaution, to clear for a fork stabilizer that I installed. Its soft plastic; very easy to cut, file, sand and polish.

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For the rear, a nice MX- style fender works well.

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  • Huffa 2

Posted March 28, 2008 - 01:58 AM

#23

Just cut 6 inches off the stock ugly "duck bill" front fender and it changes everything. In this case, I cut out the sides as well, as a safety precaution, to clear for a fork stabilizer that I installed. Its soft plastic; very easy to cut, file, sand and polish.

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For the rear, a nice MX- style fender works well.

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That's what I want to do to mine on the FF. It seems like you were only going to do a few inches at 1st but then changed your mind ?

Let me see the bike with the 6" off, in your pic here it looks well balanced, I want to see it on bike though, thanks!

Most guys just do 3 or 4 so this is why I ask.

  • butcharin

Posted March 28, 2008 - 04:22 AM

#24

Looks really nice buddy but one thing I noticed that just will not work, you can't run full length seal savers on the fork tubes, no way.

They are only supposed to over lap about 1-2" at most beyond the fork seals.


Huffa 2, I have seen a bunch of BRP running full length seal savers. Why can't you run them full length? :prof:

Ch47_pilot I've thought about cutting my fender. What did you use to trim it? Does the color on the MX style fender match pretty good?

Thanks all for looking!

  • Ch47_pilot

Posted March 28, 2008 - 05:08 AM

#25

Huffa 2, I have seen a bunch of BRP running full length seal savers. Why can't you run them full length? :prof:

Ch47_pilot I've thought about cutting my fender. What did you use to trim it? Does the color on the MX style fender match pretty good?

Thanks all for looking!



Believe it or not, I used a 7 dollar keyhole saw from Lowes, a small hand file, and a few different grits of sandpaper. Once it is done, I use the plastic renew kit from PC racing. I cut an initial 2' off the front and then used the original fender contour to trace/draw my lines for the 6' cut.

The rear fender is a Maier. It bolted right on. The color is a tad bit off (a little orange-ish), but not enough to get too upset over.

I will post some pics this weekend after I finish the whole project.

  • Huffa 2

Posted March 28, 2008 - 08:03 PM

#26

Huffa 2, I have seen a bunch of BRP running full length seal savers. Why can't you run them full length? :prof:

Ch47_pilot I've thought about cutting my fender. What did you use to trim it? Does the color on the MX style fender match pretty good?

Thanks all for looking!


WHY ??? .......because they are on the tubes that slide up and down and interfear with the movement of them. The fork seals have as little stiction as possible so the tubes can react to the smallest of bumps, putting those on creates a lot more stiction, they can't possibly work right like that at all.

You show me one BRP that has them that way and are you sure they didn't have the stock forks taken off and have inverted forks which DO run full length on the outer tubes, not the tubes that slide, like this...........

http://www.sealsaver...t_ID=11&CATID=1

I have never seen a bike of any make that this was done to. He could go this much though ...........

http://www.sealsaver...t_ID=10&CATID=1

......but like said, if you use them in muddy conditions I found they trap mud inside and I felt I was better off not using them at all once I discovered that.

In that pic though, they "updated" them since I had mine, they are easily 2" longer so maybe they had the same problem with mud :bonk: .......even so, I still would not use them again.

  • Redlines

Posted March 29, 2008 - 01:07 AM

#27

Huffa is right seal savers suck they cause way to much friction/binding and even in dry conditions they trap dirt and force it into the dust wiper on the fork seal. You are much better off just putting some grease under your dust wiper and cleaning them regularly.

  • butcharin

Posted March 29, 2008 - 06:22 AM

#28

I have heard a lot of good things about the seal savers so I figure I will give it a try. Here are some BRP running seal savers full length on there forks.

http://www.thumperta...ight=Seal Saver
http://www.thumperta...26&d=1171144575
http://www.4strokes.....asp?ImgID=2597
http://images.google...S:official&sa=N
http://www.thumperta...ehicle&vid=3894

Once the snow melts really try them out and should know how well they work.
I also plan on cleaning under them every so often.:prof:

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  • Huffa 2

Posted March 29, 2008 - 08:17 AM

#29

I have heard a lot of good things about the seal savers so I figure I will give it a try. Here are some BRP running seal savers full length on there forks.

http://www.thumperta...ight=Seal Saver
http://www.thumperta...26&d=1171144575
http://www.4strokes.....asp?ImgID=2597
http://images.google...S:official&sa=N
http://www.thumperta...ehicle&vid=3894

Once the snow melts really try them out and should know how well they work.
I also plan on cleaning under them every so often.:prof:


Wow, thanks for looking those up, I never saw any of them but I still stand by what I say and would much rather run fork boots for protection and looks.

A true stiction test would be to take the springs out, install just one on and work each fork thru the travel, see if you feel a difference, :bonk: I just can't imagine how the tube with one on can operate as smoothly as with the one off :confused:

I wonder if any of those guys tried that ?

+ what about when they get wet! They asorb water and get soaked, that's even more stiction, screw that!

  • butcharin

Posted March 29, 2008 - 10:57 AM

#30

A true stiction test would be to take the springs out, install just one on and work each fork thru the travel, see if you feel a difference, :bonk: I just can't imagine how the tube with one on can operate as smoothly as with the one off :confused:


I'll have to try that when I redo my forks. It will be interesting to see what the difference is. I might even get one wet to see how much it changes. It's worth a shot.:prof:

  • Kenzo

Posted March 29, 2008 - 03:18 PM

#31

Believe it or not, I used a 7 dollar keyhole saw from Lowes, a small hand file, and a few different grits of sandpaper. Once it is done, I use the plastic renew kit from PC racing. I cut an initial 2' off the front and then used the original fender contour to trace/draw my lines for the 6' cut.


if u have access to a small hand plain they work like a charm in cleaning up rough cuts on plastics, little to no sanding is required...the only limitation is on inside radius...

as far as making the rough cuts i use a thin hand scroll saw...just tape off ur "line" and take ur time.

:prof:

  • Huffa 2

Posted March 29, 2008 - 04:25 PM

#32

I'll have to try that when I redo my forks. It will be interesting to see what the difference is. I might even get one wet to see how much it changes. It's worth a shot.:prof:


If you do that, I'd like to see how it looks bunched up at full compression, it can't possibly neatly calapse like fork boots do :bonk:

  • Ch47_pilot

Posted March 29, 2008 - 05:04 PM

#33

That's what I want to do to mine on the FF. It seems like you were only going to do a few inches at 1st but then changed your mind ?

Let me see the bike with the 6" off, in your pic here it looks well balanced, I want to see it on bike though, thanks!

Most guys just do 3 or 4 so this is why I ask.


Here ya go...:

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  • pwrpapa

Posted March 29, 2008 - 05:08 PM

#34

Man that is sweet lookin, nice job.

  • Huffa 2

Posted March 29, 2008 - 05:11 PM

#35

Here ya go...:

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6"...... :confused: that looks great man, perfectly normal! :prof:

Now, let me see your forks bottomed out with those seal savers on ;)

On the serious side though, what is that one inch approx in heigth rubber ring at bottom of seal saver, you make that or what ? .......OR is that just the seal saver flipped up :bonk:

  • Ch47_pilot

Posted March 29, 2008 - 11:56 PM

#36

6"...... :confused: that looks great man, perfectly normal! :prof:

Now, let me see your forks bottomed out with those seal savers on ;)

On the serious side though, what is that one inch approx in heigth rubber ring at bottom of seal saver, you make that or what ? .......OR is that just the seal saver flipped up :bonk:


Thats the seal saver, flipped up. No way in hell they will stretch to the diameter of the configuration I'm running now. I liked the stock accordion rubber boots, but with the fork brace, they don't fit anymore. I am no advocate on seal savers. I bought them because SRC suggested it. In hindsight they were a waste of money for what i paid. The rubber snub/protector that comes with the fork brace is pretty decent. If I ride mud, I usually make a good point of cleaning everything out no matter what when I get home. I figure if anything, the seal savers do nothing to save the seal, but they may save a ding or two off the chrome portion under hard riding. Id rather know foremost that I am running a good air filter and clean oil. I dont hear too may complaints about fork seals on the XR. I'm too busy noticing the *** look on the faces of the normal car driving people as I pass them on my huge and loud illegal looking dirtbike, without the slightest attention to a downshift. The bottoming out part is only critical when your front fender lands hard on the fork brace and forces it into the tire. Thus the carefully though cutouts in the front fender.

I do agree with your point on seal savers. Complete waste of money in any sense of fork seal protection if it isnt over both the chrome and the fork dampener.





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