Should I go big


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  • dirtysouth

Posted February 21, 2008 - 08:08 AM

#21

Martian; I have a 2002 WR-300 and I ride with 250 2-strokes and 450's and I never lack power, is your bike jetted good? What else have you done? Have good exhaust? Powernow?
Another thing to consider is that since being introduced the YZ-250F now makes about 5 more H.P. Maybe a new WR-250F with a big-bore would be the ticket. I will never go back to a big 4-stroke.
BTW, I am 43, 6'4" and 190 lbs.


WR 300...?...sounds like you went bigger:excuseme:

  • dirtysouth

Posted February 21, 2008 - 08:13 AM

#22

If weight is a big issue for you go 250 2-stroke or KTM 300 2-stroke. Seems like mixed opinions but I can say at 5'11 160 the 450WR is a dream and technical stuff in the woods is not an issue for me ever! If you wanna go one better put a set of YZ 85 bars on a 450 and squeeze it even narrower. 450's rule dude...all the power is mucho fun with just a throttle flick rather than a WOT push which breaks the rear tire loose...450's can putt through some stuff giving more traction...then if that aint enough..gas it for more.

  • brett_h

Posted February 21, 2008 - 08:17 AM

#23

400cc+ is what i consider big. 300-350 is mid-size. Just right!

  • mvryder

Posted February 21, 2008 - 08:20 AM

#24

By more tractable I mean more linear power application. I thought tractable was the preferred nomeclature. I understand your point of throwing parroting back at me, but remember I am using a learned term (yes, I did not coin this term) for a characteristic I have personally felt riding both a WR450 and EXC200. I am not commenting on the riding characteristics of bikes I have never ridden.

It seems to me that it is very in vogue right not to dump on 4 strokes while quickly forgetting their benefits. I have a theory that some may just be retaliating against their first 4 stroke, new top end, maintenance bill and saying well forget 4 strokes, we should all go back to 2 strokes. I have nothing to back this up it is just a theory.

I can climb hills on my xr250 too. In certain circumstances I feel it is easier on my wr450. In my personal experience it takes less attention to shifting and momentum keeping on a more powerful bike when climbing tough hills.

  • dirtysouth

Posted February 21, 2008 - 08:53 AM

#25

By more tractable I mean more linear power application. I thought tractable was the preferred nomeclature. I understand your point of throwing parroting back at me, but remember I am using a learned term (yes, I did not coin this term) for a characteristic I have personally felt riding both a WR450 and EXC200. I am not commenting on the riding characteristics of bikes I have never ridden.

It seems to me that it is very in vogue right not to dump on 4 strokes while quickly forgetting their benefits. I have a theory that some may just be retaliating against their first 4 stroke, new top end, maintenance bill and saying well forget 4 strokes, we should all go back to 2 strokes. I have nothing to back this up it is just a theory.

I can climb hills on my xr250 too. In certain circumstances I feel it is easier on my wr450. In my personal experience it takes less attention to shifting and momentum keeping on a more powerful bike when climbing tough hills.


Plus more power is more pimp:cool: It's always been that way with car entusiasts and the like thats why imports go Turbo ain't it.

  • matt4x4

Posted February 21, 2008 - 12:18 PM

#26

I think a lot is personal preference, I was going to go with a 250f originally, then this smoking deal came up and I ended up with a wr400f. The first day I thought W T F did I do??? The second day you couldn't beat the smile off my face with a baseball bat and it's been that way ever since.

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  • 2lcf

Posted February 21, 2008 - 01:06 PM

#27

I have ridden a 99 YZ 250 for years...........I just got an 08 WR 450 and the difference is HUGE.............I love the YZ, but the WR is my NEW toy and I will NOT be going back to a 2 stroke...........the WR is heavier, but the power and torque are worth the weght gain.......plus doing a night ride once in awhile is way cooler than just sitting around the fire drinking.......my $.02....good luck...but go WR and you'll love it..............

  • MojaveThumper

Posted February 21, 2008 - 05:50 PM

#28

I am about your size. Don't have problems handling the bike. Respect the power and all will be well.

  • Martian

Posted February 21, 2008 - 07:35 PM

#29

Well I just orderd a 2008 WR450 From OTD cycle sport $6599 out the door, I pick it up saturday. thank you all for your 2% I cant wait to ride I'm keeping my old 2001 yz300f for freinds to ride this old bike can make it up just about any hill but now I can make it up FASTER :smirk:

  • 2lcf

Posted February 21, 2008 - 08:20 PM

#30

Martian.................I have an 08 also............if you REALLY want to make it feel more like your YZ 250, make sure you do all the mods listed here in TT... I did the mods to mine and will never go back to a 2 stroke.......... the power and throtle response is as good as the YZ if not better.............you will be really happy with it........enjoy......

  • xBRIANx

Posted February 22, 2008 - 05:57 AM

#31

Good choice. Welcome to the WR Club =p

  • Just_a_trail_rider

Posted February 22, 2008 - 11:04 PM

#32

By more tractable I mean more linear power application. I thought tractable was the preferred nomeclature. I understand your point of throwing parroting back at me, but remember I am using a learned term (yes, I did not coin this term) for a characteristic I have personally felt riding both a WR450 and EXC200. I am not commenting on the riding characteristics of bikes I have never ridden.

It seems to me that it is very in vogue right not to dump on 4 strokes while quickly forgetting their benefits. I have a theory that some may just be retaliating against their first 4 stroke, new top end, maintenance bill and saying well forget 4 strokes, we should all go back to 2 strokes. I have nothing to back this up it is just a theory.

I can climb hills on my xr250 too. In certain circumstances I feel it is easier on my wr450. In my personal experience it takes less attention to shifting and momentum keeping on a more powerful bike when climbing tough hills.


Just having a little fun with you...:smirk:

I ride/race a wr450 and I know that when its near the end of the race and I'm tired as hell and I come up to a big hill, I can just put it in second, twist the throttle and let the bike crawl up the hill. When its a 450, you give it more throttle and resist the temptation to use the clutch. Its definitely easier at that point. However, if I wasn't on a 450, I would be so damn tired to begin with.

450's are good, great even. but if you race them, only the best riders will get the maximum benefit. Lighter is better.

  • Bamster

Posted February 23, 2008 - 05:42 AM

#33

Everyone seems to throw out those 200's as this great trail bike suggestion. How many people suggesting these bike have actually ridden one?? I have a 07 wr 450 and it feels fine in the "tight stuff". I have ridden an 08 wr250f for about 30 min as well. I did not notice a difference in weight, only in power. My friend has a ktm 200 and the the is a pain to ride all the time, it is not some magical trail bike. Seriously, it is cheaper to own and maintain engine wise but it is a a handful with a lot of difficult to use power. I regularly out ride my buddy in the tight stuff. I am tractoring though the tough stuff and he is screaming the engine spewing smoke and fanning the heck out of the clutch as i wait for him to catch up. I am less tired than he is because I have smooth tractable 4 stroke power.

This last weekend he brought out is 4 stroke klx 300 out and was right back on my rear tire through tight stuff and all. And he hadn't ridden it in a good number of months.

The whole point of those 200's is to get the most horsepower into the small bike offroad / enduro classes (the class is 86 to 200cc's regardless of stroke). So that bike is not some wonder trail bike, it is a maxed competition bike and it rides like it.

The wr250 could be construed as a bit easier to ride in tight situations because the power is mellower. Do the math, do you think the 450 feels like more of a handful because of 5 percent more weight or 80% more displacement?!?!? That all changes when the tight stuff gets you in a hole you have to climb out of it it (maybe when you are not in the right gear because you are battling rough terrain at the same time).

Just my 2 cent rant on those 200 pumpkins and this whole 250s are so much lighter thing. I am not saying everyone, but I think a lot of that 200 2t praise is just people parroting stuff they read on here. I think this because I did it and that's, in part, why my buddy bought that POS 200.


I have owned a big bore WR and now own a KTM 200 and can tell you the 200 is a wonder bike. I have ridden all the 2 stroke KTM's and all are better in the tight stuff but I was faster on the 200. Sorry to say but your buddy must be a turd.
I did love the WR in the wide open stuff but even the little WR 250 was easier to ride in tight single track. Thats what its built for.
Just my 3 cents.




 
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