Moderators...I request an Open Discussion w/Bill ,Bryan & Steve ASAP..



28 replies to this topic
  • lewichris

Posted April 12, 2002 - 05:02 AM

#21

Bill M had a good complaint. And he got it straitened out with the right people. Whe rest of you who chose to rip on brian and thumpertalk you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds ya. that is the real B.S. here. They do this for free. FREE

  • yzernie

Posted April 12, 2002 - 07:01 AM

#22

Originally posted by lewichris:
The rest of you who chose to rip on brian and thumpertalk you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds ya. They do this for free.

I absolutly agree. These Bryan and Steve do this for us and we should appreciate everything they do for us....and I honestly think most of us do.

Ernie

  • neWRiver

Posted April 12, 2002 - 07:44 AM

#23

FACT: Thumpertalk is without a doubt the premier exemplary model of a first class online dirtbiking discussion forum bar none.

Why? Because of the integrity of the posting members and the value of the information they posess and FREELY share.

This environment is facilitated by the hard work and expense of a handful of ambitious, creative and sincere people. The full value of this great environment is fully realized, though, only because of the mostly selfless efforts of members helping other members.

So what distinguishes this site from many others? Simple. The quality of the membership. How this has come to be can be attributed to a number of things (including those already mentioned). One distinguishing characteristic that I feel cannot be overstated is the ability of this group to SELF MODERATE.

Anti-spam efforts are a necessary function to preserve this environment from external "attacks". When these efforts are slanted toward "protecting advertisers' interests" than we are making a wrong turn. When moderation based on this starts to interefere with relevant posts by responsible members, then the moderation criteria need to be re-examined.

There is only one true way to protect advertisers' investments in TT. And that is to protect TT and serve its membership by continuing to foster the kind of environment that brought us all together in the first place.

Does it sound like I'm "ripping" on anybody? I'm not. I'm contributing my support and offering my sincerest pleas in the hope that TT will continue to grow and prosper. Personally, I don't really think that the staff and ownership of TT are in this for no personal gain (I'm not). Whether the rewards they reap are financial or otherwise is of no consequence to me. Honestly, I hope they all get rich off of this idea. :)

  • lewichris

Posted April 12, 2002 - 08:42 AM

#24

i need a hug, you should run for president.

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  • dgrimmy

Posted April 12, 2002 - 08:59 AM

#25

As someone who is relatively new to dirt biking I have found this forum to be extremely valuable and educational, and I'm sure that sentiment is shared by all the members. Since I know very little about the bikes, about riding in general, my only contributions are either questions about how something should work, or an enthusiastic post regarding a recent product purchase, which under the guidelines could be construed as spam. Once upon a time I posted across all forums regarding the GPR damper offer to the Thumpertalk members, which some construed as spam, and even Bryan sent me a nice polite note to curb such activity. I was fine with a gentle slap on the wrist and have kept my posts only to the WR 400 forum as that is the only bike I own, though I sometimes lurk on other forums to see what people are saying.

While this situtation appears to be straightened out, it does bring up an interesting point:
1) Anytime someone posts a review or a recommendation, most people want to know "where" to find out more information, i.e. a website. By posting a URL, that may be construed as spam, or worse yet get sensored because that company is not advertising on the forum.
1a) One of the statements was to the effect that the paid advertisers need to get their money's worth. Does that mean a company like White Brothers who sells their own and many other company's products could ask for removal of any reference or promotion of competing products contained in the posts during their ad buy?

Here's my suggestion for Bryan and Steve:
1) Charge a nominal fee of each member, i.e. $5-10 per year (don't kill me you know we'd all pay it and someone already mentioned it earlier in this thread)
2) Set up direct sales relationship with each of the vendors, or at least the ones most commonly endorsed by TTalk and offer those products at a discount to members, think Costco business model, membership fee, and small but profitable margin equals happy customers and more revenue.
3) I do not know what the ad model is, hopefully it's tied to product sales rather than impressions, or is a guaranteed monthly number but there are ways to make this model more profitable for Thumpertalk and more beneficial to the advertiser than CPM.

This is the only site I log into several times a day to make sure I'm not missing anything. Greatest site I've found, since people started charging for porn, kidding.

Keep up the good work guys.

Darren

  • lewichris

Posted April 12, 2002 - 10:54 AM

#26

[ April 12, 2002: Message edited by: lewichris ]

  • Bryan Bosch

Posted April 15, 2002 - 12:25 PM

#27

Originally posted by dgrimmy:
As someone who is relatively new to dirt biking I have found this forum to be extremely valuable and educational, and I'm sure that sentiment is shared by all the members. Since I know very little about the bikes, about riding in general, my only contributions are either questions about how something should work, or an enthusiastic post regarding a recent product purchase, which under the guidelines could be construed as spam. Once upon a time I posted across all forums regarding the GPR damper offer to the Thumpertalk members, which some construed as spam, and even Bryan sent me a nice polite note to curb such activity. I was fine with a gentle slap on the wrist and have kept my posts only to the WR 400 forum as that is the only bike I own, though I sometimes lurk on other forums to see what people are saying.

While this situtation appears to be straightened out, it does bring up an interesting point:
1) Anytime someone posts a review or a recommendation, most people want to know "where" to find out more information, i.e. a website. By posting a URL, that may be construed as spam, or worse yet get sensored because that company is not advertising on the forum.
1a) One of the statements was to the effect that the paid advertisers need to get their money's worth. Does that mean a company like White Brothers who sells their own and many other company's products could ask for removal of any reference or promotion of competing products contained in the posts during their ad buy?

Here's my suggestion for Bryan and Steve:
1) Charge a nominal fee of each member, i.e. $5-10 per year (don't kill me you know we'd all pay it and someone already mentioned it earlier in this thread)
2) Set up direct sales relationship with each of the vendors, or at least the ones most commonly endorsed by TTalk and offer those products at a discount to members, think Costco business model, membership fee, and small but profitable margin equals happy customers and more revenue.
3) I do not know what the ad model is, hopefully it's tied to product sales rather than impressions, or is a guaranteed monthly number but there are ways to make this model more profitable for Thumpertalk and more beneficial to the advertiser than CPM.

This is the only site I log into several times a day to make sure I'm not missing anything. Greatest site I've found, since people started charging for porn, kidding.

Keep up the good work guys.

Darren


I think some clarification is necessary, so here goes.

ThumperTalk's forums are for the consumer, and not the proper venue for companies, its partners, and affiliates (employees) wishing to promote their products and/or services. This includes direct offers and spam. We have given those companies interested in reaching our members with their offers a channel via paid banner ads. We believe this to be consistent with member wishes and the right way to operate a discussion board.

When we say that we are protecting the investment of our advertisers, we are not saying that they get special treatment. They know that if they bring a great product to you, they'll get praise and sell more. The opposite is true as well. As long as what is being said is based upon fact, and not knowingly false, the posts will not be touched. Search the archives, you'll find this to be true. ThumperTalk will absolutely NOT delete references to our advertiser's competition, by our own decision or by their request. We protect their investment by deleting posts from companies that try to use the forums as a source of free advertising. If we didn't do this, why would/should our advertiser's pay us at all? The fact is that our advertisers enable Steve and I to bring ThumperTalk to you. Without them, operating this site would be cost prohibitive.

The goal is to provide our members with a free exhange of unbiased information. By removing the element of personal gain by sharing information with one another, the quality and value of the information remains high. After all, why would you call a salesperson that sells Yamaha only for advise on buying a KTM? What bike do you think he thinks is the best? I'd rather get this info from another TT member, that has ridden either or both bikes, and who does not gain personally whether I choose either bike.

Cheers!

Bryan

[ April 15, 2002: Message edited by: Bryan Bosch ]

  • JOSHUAZ2

Posted April 15, 2002 - 01:03 PM

#28

wow, just when i was afraid i had entered wr utopia we have a nice family squabble. cool. now everyone go to your rooms! :)

  • YAMAKAZE

Posted April 15, 2002 - 03:25 PM

#29

OK...It's time for this thread to die now...

Thanks to all who participated...Especially Bryan.

Bonzai :)




 
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