I can go fast in the rough but suck at turning?
Posted April 04, 2002 - 04:32 PM
Today, I road 29 miles of trail (pozo) and at the end I was getting so fustrated with my turning skills that I forced myself to hit a burm hard. You know what happened, I reshaped my handle bars into something more abstract. Luckly, my body is fine.
I have MT21 tires front and back with 14psi in both. The forks are as low as they go. The fork oil is 10mm less than standard. Should I raise my forks? Add oil? (how do you add oil easily?) Adjust the com/reb clickers?
What can I do myself, besides work out, get fat, and sit on the gas tank? I know practice will help.
Posted April 04, 2002 - 04:39 PM
Posted April 04, 2002 - 04:54 PM
If so, believe it or not, IT'S THE TANK! Get a YZ style tank (used on ebay) and an SDG YZ seat...it's like an entirely different bike. If you MUST run DOT tires then keep the MT21's. If not, dump them for some Michelin M12's or S12's. But, the seat/tank is key here...trust us on this one.
Posted April 04, 2002 - 06:25 PM
Posted April 04, 2002 - 06:36 PM
Posted April 04, 2002 - 07:31 PM
Posted April 04, 2002 - 09:18 PM
Posted April 04, 2002 - 11:52 PM
Posted April 05, 2002 - 01:31 AM
Man, I sure wished I could do this
Posted April 05, 2002 - 07:22 AM
Try running a D756 or Michelin S12. I've ridden Pozo on both MT21s & D756 & the 756 is a lot better. The YZ seat/tank will help but IMO the biggest improvements came from getting rid of the stock D739 front tire and raising my forks ~8mm in the clamps. Front tires are cheap compared to the seat/tank combo.
You doing the Penguins DS this weekend? I usually ride it - Cal Poly alumni - but won't be there this year.
Posted April 05, 2002 - 09:45 AM
I used to get pretty deep into the turn before I transitioned from the brake to the throttle. Now, I try to open the throttle as I initiate the turn, no later. Just a bit at first, and as I approach the apex, roll-on.
I still suck, but a bit less.
Posted April 05, 2002 - 10:04 PM
I'm kind of going through the same thing, only setting up a KTM. The front tire was the first major change for me. It made a huge difference. Second, start backing off the compression on the forks. Once it starts to feel better, slow the rebound down, so the forks don't try to spring back up mid-turn. This should get you feeling pretty good. Next, start playing with the shock. It takes a lot of time to dial this stuff in, at least for me. Comming from a XR 400, that turned on a dime and made change, it challenges me daily. FWIW
Posted April 07, 2002 - 07:35 AM
Hope This Helps, HUGE
Almost forgot the brake slide thing is a first to second gear affair start slow and work up to WARP 9.
Posted April 07, 2002 - 07:43 AM
Posted April 11, 2002 - 04:17 PM
Yes, I have a stock gas tank and seat. I'll switch it and the front tire when I get the money. For now I'll work on the other stuff.
For my bike, I'm going to lower my tire pressure to about 12psi f and r, raise the forks 8mm, and check the rear sag (make sure it's not over 4"). I'm also going to play with lowering the compression and increasing the fork rebound.
For riding technique, I'm going to get on the brake and gas earlier, stay perpendicular to the ground, sit on the outside front corner of the seat with my body close to the handle bars, and put my weight on the outside peg.
I'm going to try all of this tomorrow morning! ..plus, some rear end sliding practice.
I'll keep you posted. Thanks, JOe
Posted April 12, 2002 - 12:05 AM
Stand stand stand whenever its REASONABLE. This allows the bike to flow and you to manouever the bike by PRESSING on the footpegs as well as move forward/backward to weight the bike correctly. Try moving forward without first standing up!
At the end of braking and the entry to each turn you should do your damndest to be standing so you can move your weight forward just as you enter the turn. If you are ALREADY forward, so much the better, but try lifting your butt when you can.
Do all/most of your hard braking in a straight line. Braking you should be standing with knees bent, with arms out (but NOT straight), pretty low over the bike. Brake with mostly the front but still with BOTH (70/30). If you are leaning the bike AND you brake hard you WILL wash out.
Just as you enter the corner and are finishing your hard braking sit down and FORWARD (like you do when your are with the old lady !) but DONT lean over the handlbars. Your body should be almost upright. This helps a) gives your arms room to manouver without feeling cramped. If you feel cramped you are probably leaning too far forward it allows you to lift your head and look at where you want to GO and not where you ARE c) it allows you to lift/stretch your inside leg forward without much difficulty (try lifting your leg forward whilst leaning forward). Cant do
it heh !!
FLATTISH CORNERS (Not berms or steep U turns)
As you enter the corner incline the bike as far as necessary INTO the corner but your body stays UPRIGHT. Weight your outside peg as much as you can. The sharper the corner, the more you incline your bike. The more you incline the more you will turn.
Choose your entry and exit trajectory carefully, LOOK and think about the NEXT corner and the line you will need to go through it.
If you are in a TIGHT corner, let the clutch slip slightly so the engine doesn't carry on and take you off trajectory.
Dont accelerate too SOON. As you get through the corner, get the bike UPRIGHT as soon as possible, (push down on the appropriate footpeg), get both feet on the footpegs and let her rip.
To pratice this choose a small area with a few turns and small straight where you can get up some speed before a sharp corner. For me it took about 1 day for it all to START to come together so dont expect miracle results all at once.
Try and do it step by step. The way the instructor taught us was to 'reveal' the tricks one by one so we weren't trying to do too many new things at once.
One thing that took a while to accept was that (at least in some coners), cornering SLOW is sometimes better then cornering FAST. You can get the bike upright faster and back on the gas quicker. You also dont over shoot your trajectory as much, allowing you to line up better for the next corner. !