Posted April 03, 2002 - 04:19 AM
I was going to wait until next year to get him a new one. I was waiting for someone to come out with a good 150cc four stroke with a real suspension. I will also have a little more cash next year.
The wife wants me to get him one now. I can't find anything used. He is ten years old, 4'10" and weighs 100lbs. I know the YZ 85 would suit him better, suspension and power wise. I wanted to stay away from a 2 stroke. I don't want to be redoing top ends and I would need to get a spark arrestor. We ride mostly public trails.
I don't want to spend more than 3K as I wasn't ready to get him a bike this year.
I would like to get him the TTR 125. It would need springs, skid plate, and a chain guide. This would put me a little over 3K. He would probably need a new bike in a year or two.
I looked at the XR 100 which costs about 2K and souldn't need any parts. I figure he can ride it a year and I would only loose about 500 on the resale. How is the XR, power & suspension. He won't be mx-ing, but he would like to hit some small jumps.
After seeing him on the PW 80 last year, I think it won't take long for him to ride the crap out of what ever I get him. The better the bike I get him the more he can keep up w/me and this would incress my fun factor.
I need some input to sway my decision.
Posted April 03, 2002 - 05:22 AM
Posted April 03, 2002 - 08:32 AM
Posted April 03, 2002 - 12:25 PM
1) its a darn good bike. Durable. Easy to work on.
2) No matter what you get him, he will "push" both his and the bike's limits. Gotta beat Dad, right? This bike has extreme limits.
3) Should he wish to do a little racing, you're set.
4) It starts very easily and top ends are simple, though once a year (non-competition riding) will probably be plenty.
5) There is less to break on it. It's designed for brutal punishment and aftermarket plastics,speed parts, etc are readily available.
6) Its a mean SOB in the right hands. Major league sphincter-factor! He'll probably have to fight YOU for it! And you can always go big-bore!
7) If you remove and save the stock plastic right away and put on aftermarket stuff, resale on such a clean, non-raced bike may surprise you. YZ85's are easy to sell. For many, it is their first bike.
Chasing my 7yr old at speeds in excess of 40mph over MX jumps (on a 50cc King Cobra!!) makes me shudder at the thought of an inexperienced kid on a YZ85, though!! Mine is now 8,in his 4th season of racing, still under 60lbs, and on a KX65 with 6 gears instead of one. I'm in DEEP doo-doo now!! Thumper power on the straights is my only chance. There AIN'T no out-maneuvering him! Your son IS experienced, too, but make SURE he really understands what he's straddling!! IT AIN'T NO PW!! Stay close, Dad!
8) It will fit him for a very long time, though he does sound like a strapper! I'm 6'0" 185lbs and my buddy's kid has a YZ85. I back off long before it signs off...
By the way, www.dirtbikeworld.net has a mini-rider's forum. They do lots of trail riding down there (Australia), like you and your son, and my boy has made some new friends in an exotic far-away place...It's a safe, clean, well-guarded site for the youngsters. Easy to share pics, too. They dig that! Look for Sky-man, Minispode, and mrRM80. They have fun big-dudes forums,too.
Good Luck and let us know how it works out!
Posted April 03, 2002 - 06:56 PM
Posted April 04, 2002 - 03:58 PM
I would go with the YZ85. Great suspension, roomy, light, real powerfull. Maybe a bit on the hyper side you gotta ring it out. The RM reportedly has a smoother power band, it has a PV. He would just have to get used to it. Easier to re-sell after he out grows it and if I know you it will look mint at that point. What's a set of rings and a few gaskets once a year? NADA. The spark arrestor should be less than $100. and your ready to go! I think he'll get bored on a TTR or an XR. Or you'll eventually be throwing hundreds at it to keep him happy with the performance. These 85's are as powerfull as the 125's were in my racing days. And wait till they all have a PV on them. As for the re-sell I know I would have sold a YZ 10 times over by now, I am having no luck unloading the WR and it's mint. I would buy him the YZ in a minute. Let me know what you do.
Posted April 05, 2002 - 05:13 AM
If I could stretch him a little I would buy your bike for him. You have done a great job on it. I am trying to talk a few of my friends to get back into riding, I have told them I know where to get a WR at a sweet price, there cheap though. The keep crying about money for retirement, food and so on.
I am leaning towards a YZ 85, but I a liitle worried it might be too much for him. I am also worried that it would load up too much while trail riding. My gaol is to get him where he can ride the bike trails in Allegheny with me.
Posted April 05, 2002 - 05:40 AM
As an owner of a 2001 TTR 125, I think you may want to reconsider this bike. TTR's come in a TTR 125L also. This gives the bike a little more height. As for power, it had to pull my big butt back to camp once. (6'1", 245lbs) What a site that was.
Good points, Its mild enough to teach my wife and my daughter (12yrs old) how to ride. Its strong enough to pull the intermediate stuff. These bikes were real tough to come by in 2001. They have the lowest seat height and largest cc's available. Very sturdy bike, not to fast, if you push it you can propbably get it or a used one for 2k to 2500. They seem to have a strong resale value. in a year you can trda it for the YZ.
Bad points, My wife already moved up to something bigger (TTR 225) The short, in both ways, wheel base can put you on your butt quick. to me it seems under powered and if my daughter was a more serious rider I would need to do some mods to up the torque and top end. It is not a race bike in any way shape or form. It will handle itself well on the trails though.
Just my .02
Posted April 05, 2002 - 07:28 AM
I don't know, there pretty torquey (is that a word). A throttle stop might help keep him from getting into too much trouble. The big plus is the light weight. The TTR is probably heavier I'm not sure.
Posted April 05, 2002 - 08:48 AM
Posted April 05, 2002 - 10:06 PM
The TTR was a great starter bike and has lasted him about a year. Thing is, the TTR's power is good enough to last him a little while longer, but he really needs the YZ suspension. While I think he would have had more trouble starting out on the 2-stroke, he would kill to have the YZ now.
So, my dilemma right now is whether to sell the bike and get him a YZ or invest in the YZ suspension for the TTR.
Going to the YZ makes more financial sense. And I have a feeling that my boy (or yours) will handle the transition to the "scary" power quite readily. With the lighter, snappier bike he would certainly be catching up to dad a lot quicker (and probably sooner than you would think). A throttle stop would probably handle most of your safety considerations. Your son will work out the rest for himself.
Posted April 06, 2002 - 04:09 PM
Posted April 06, 2002 - 07:00 PM
I had a similar problem. My daughter's first bike was an XR80. She was 12, 4'10", and probably 80 pounds. This spring she is 13, 5'3" and probably 95 pounds. I settled on a TTR125L because we ride trails. The hit of a YZ85 could easily get her in trouble in the woods. Your kid may be further along or give other signs that the power won't bother him.
Unfortunately we also ride MX tracks and she just started really jumping (really for her, 20-25ft) and the suspension just isn't there. I have to keep the TTR for the woods but am considering a KX or RM 80 (both have powervalves with good bottom end) for the track. I'm still protective regarding the power hit getting her in trouble. A YZ85 has 2.5 times the power of the TTR125L.
You might find more on my poston the 250F forum.
If you get a YZ85, give him some seat time in a field or on a track where there is less to hit before single tracking it.
Posted April 06, 2002 - 07:47 PM
To be honest, your boy will adapt to any bike. God Bless you and your wife for making it a family sport!
Posted April 07, 2002 - 03:17 AM
After futher thought, maybe bhunt is right. If your going to concentrate on Alleghenny riding he may be better on the TTR. I think at least springing it would be necessary and then re-valve as needed. He won't need a ton of power in the woods just predictable. I tend to concentrate on how much after market I will have to put in the bike to keep Jr. happy long term. But he's probably not ready to handle a YZ powerband in the Eastern woods. I would hate to hear about him getting off 'cause of the hit of a mini. Maybe safety first is the theme here.
Posted April 07, 2002 - 09:27 PM
Posted April 07, 2002 - 09:48 PM
Hey that's great! Good to hear you came by a good deal too. Now keep it real nice and put some trick aftermarket goodies on it then call me first when your ready to sell it!
Posted April 07, 2002 - 04:16 PM