( repost, maybe? ), sorry of it is.

I'm not sure if its been posted here or not but, this is deffinetly music to my ears!

http://media.putfile...pitpass-excerpt

That was recorded novembor 23.

Whoaa...that sounds very interesting. I wonder if this will actually come to pass. I have not heard anything about this yet. :excuseme:

If that does come to pass, then the 250 4 strokes won't stand a chance against 250 2 strokes. I wonder what honda is thinking once they hear that?

dirt_rider93561 said:

Somebody needs to watch the desnations, RV put a wooping on every 450 out at budds creek in september. If Rv can beat 450's on a 250f, running with a 250 smoker wont be to hard. I know kids running 250f's in 125c,b and 4 stroke open and still beat the 450's. In my book, its 65 percent rider 35 percent bike.:thumbsup:

marshmello1 said:

That's true. The 250F guys were running the same lap times as the 450's.

Villopoto even got the holeshot against the 450's. So 250F's racing the 250 smokers should be a good match up.

marshmello1 said:

Somebody needs to realize that Poto's bike is probably faster than my 450R (with the same rider). I saw a interview with Jeff Emig after he got to ride Poto's bike and he said it was as fast as any 450f he has ever ridden. On the amateur level things are much different, as non-factory 250f's don’t have every ounce of power being pulled out of them like Poto's bike does. Its comparing apples to oranges. Your right about the bikes at the pro level, however at the amateur level things are much different IMO.

IMO people use Villapoto as an example on the capabilities of 250f's way to much. There is a much more discernable gap at the local level. Poto has just about all the power he wants out of his 250f, and probably wouldn’t ask for much more if it was a 450f.

i want to know so i can get me another smoker, it gives me and excuse

Supafreak_711 said:

Any more power out of a 450, ( or RV's bike as you claim ), people will start killing themselves. Ricky carmichael said that his 450 was too powerful and it's hard for him to ride it hard. Also remember, when factories deck out their 450's its not for extra power, it's to change the way the power is delivered, or to eliminate deadspots in the rpm range. There is probably only four or five jumps on the outdoor circuit that poto had to stretch, now on a 450? you can only scrub so far. He already had to ditch the bike at hangtown for scrubbing to low. I made a mistake in my previous post, I meant to sya i know of kids running 250f's in 250 b/c and 4-stroke open, WINNING and/or on the podium. Rich jarvis is a local racer and he does top 10 ( gate of 40 ) in college boy on a 125 !!

Im also pretty sure if throw kids like tomac,anderson,barcia, and trettel in 125c on there 85's they would still podium.


There's no denying it, the racer who trains the hardest, is the racer who's going to win.

Mike

I think that people are overlooking the fact that, if racing teams have the opportunity to spend less money on parts and bikes and to have thier rider(s) perform just as good or better on the cheaper twostroke than the more expensive fourstroke, why not go with the fourstroke. IMO its a smarter solution. And with this ominous cloud of "OMG THE TWOSTROKES ARE COMING!!" i think that most riders will switch back over. Either way, i think that the next season of (formerly) MX lites will be exciting.

To be fair, Poto's 250f ran against factory 450f's who are putting out plenty of power as well, so it is a somewhat fair comparison, unless you want to say Villopoto is a better rider than all of them, or atleast on that given day. I would agree with the rider theory. He rode too well that day for anybody to keep up. By the way, has anybody seen his potential on a 450f? Doubt it... Whos to say he won't be even quicker on a 450?

I guess what I'm trying to say is I disagree with the "new rule." They should, imo, just up the CC of the 2 strokes in the class to something reasonable, and go from there.

I really do not see much of a change in the Pro lever cause like people say it 85% rider and 15% bike or somewhere around there. it will be interesting but I think if it does pass most pros will stay with the thumper specially at the sandy places.

Now at a local lever it might change things up a little but not much. Maybe guy/gals that suck in the motocross class on smokers will drop down to the lites class. But if you honestly watch races and check lap times. Majority of the time the kids or guys in the lites classes are running faster lap time or the same times as the guys in the motocross class due to the fact that the average person cannot handle all of the power a stock or piped 450 comes with.

As much as i want it, its not a lites class anymore, what will they use for lites?

well alot of riders were faster on 250f's. like poto and stewart and probably rv would pull in faster lap times than the big bikes, i think its because they pull so much power out of the 250f that the powerband is like a lightswitch and thats how most of these guys are used to when they raced 80's, so they could go faster, but the 450's can't be so lightswitch without making them so fast it'll kill the rider...

nap__kxf said:

poto + RV = RyanVillopoto

and bubba doesnt race small bikes anymore, he's on a 450 :bonk:

the_sasquatch_123 said:

exactly where is the lites class??? they want to make it so 125's 250f's and 250 two-smokes can all run the same class (250 class) and then 250 two-smokes and the 450f's can run a seperate class (open). Im wondering if they are going to allow 250f's in the open aswell????

The first class (250 class) is not fair for 125 riders. They should make a seperate class like "125 only" for the people who would rather ride 125 two-smokes than pay the high costs of running a 250f all year long and can ride smaller bikes better (125 or 250f's) like me. I can go way faster on a 250f rather than a 450.

The main thing I get from this is that most guys (expecially guys who like two strokes, and have previously rode (this year, last year, year before) the 125class, and had to ride a 250f because 125's wern't competitive enough in that class, are going to ride the 250 two-smokes (in this new class the ama is making) because they are more powerful than a 250f and are cheaper to run and maintain.

This is how I look at it- My choice of bike would be a 125 two-smoke because they are hella fun to ride and you can just pin them everywhere. But they are not competitive and that would force me to ride a 250f in the 125 class. But now (after new rules are applied) I still can't ride a 125 because they are still not competitive in the the new "250 class" but I can ride a 250 two-smoke because you can race them against 250f's. I just think they should make a 125 class or something so people who want to ride 125's can and they can do it competitively. Other than that, I guess I'm going to a 250two stroke.

teamhonda15 said:

i agree.

stuff 450's, no one here can ride a 125 to its max anyway. i say everone should have a look at thems selves and stop trying to be like RC

the_sasquatch_123 said:

in a way, the noob's got a point... somewhat...

the_sasquatch_123 said:

Are you serious bro? a 125 to its max? thats like a 450 quarter throttle each gear. Riding a 125 to its max isnt that hard.

and the classes as from what I hear are :

(11/28/2007)


According to MX Sports:

The AMA Congress has eliminated handicapping for the previous 125cc/250F (Lites) classes. For 2008, all Lites machines will have a 250cc and under displacement--regardless of engine type (two-stroke or four-stroke). In addition, the previous 250 two-stroke/450 four-stroke class is now open to four-stroke and two-stroke engines from 122cc-Open cc. At the moment these rules apply to Amateur racing, not pro racing. These rules will be in effect at the 2008 Loretta Lynn race.

These rule changes might kill the 125 two-stroke (although opening the door for big-bore 125s in the Modified clases), but it could save the 250cc two-stroke from extinction. The rule changes are design to lower the cost of racing, equalize the classes and keep the two-stroke viable as a start-up machine. All good causes.

OTHER NOTABLE FACTS

The Honda CRF150 is only eligible in SuperMini and Schoolboy classes.

There will be an 85cc class for nine year olds: Class 24 85cc (9-11) stock and Class 25 85cc (9-11) modified.

The 14-15 85cc classes have been formulated into two Supermini classes to better suit the older, larger mini cycle riders and to provide a better stepping stone into the larger sized machines: Class 28 “Supermini 1” (12-15) and Class 29 “Supermini 2” (14-16)

A and A/Pro Sport riders are no longer permitted to participate in the Schoolboy classes: Class 30 “Schoolboy 1” (12-16) B/C: 86-125cc 2-stroke/75-150cc 4-stroke and Class 31 “Schoolboy 2” (14-16) B/C: 100-144cc 2-stroke/126-250cc 4-stroke


ALL-NEW 2008 AMATEUR CLASS STRUCTUES

All former AMA Lites (125/250F) Classes (A, Pro Sport, B, C)...122cc to 250cc
122-250cc two-or four-strokes.

All AMA Motocross (250/450) Classes (A, Pro Sport, B & C)...122cc to Open cc two-or four-strokes.

AMA Four Stroke Class...201cc to 650cc Four-Stroke

All AMA Vet Classes (+25, +30, +35, +40 and +45)...122cc to Open cc two-or four-strokes.

Mike

I race +25/+30 and ride a 250f against lots of modded 250 two strokes, 450's, etc. The vet classes always have nice bikes.

Needless to say I don't get smoked on my 250f. I also plan on being at +30 at Loretta's next year. It'll be tight making it, but I'll be very close.

Redbud '08 is the regional. I'll be sure to post up how the 250f does against a stacked gate of 40 450's and 250cc two smokes!

I think RV proved not even the start is a factor for the 250f (well, his motor is a little better than a normal 250f!)