update to post on 3/4/02 regarding IOughta WentAround DOT seizure attempt
Posted March 08, 2002 - 01:54 PM
Well I can't afford the additional 6 to 20 hrs my attorney says would be required to prepare to represent me at the initial hearing, so I'm on my own. A 12.50/hr working man with kids can't afford $125/hr justice.('maybe' justice at that). Well, I'm neither stupid nor afraid of these a-holes and since chemotherapy IS a big part of my life these days, surrender is NOT! Yeah, I really need this stress right now, but we all got our demons to slay and to quote everybody's favorite American; Forrest Gump: " Sometimes there just aren't E-nuff rocks." YOU can send me a couple dumptruck loads of rocks by doing the following:
I would like to ask every TT member who has a street legal converted bike to please e-mail me photos and/or info regarding their state's licensing policies and requirements. We all know these powers are reserved to the states. If IDOT (add one more 'I' and this acronym would be truly accurate) is basing their action on "The feds are forcing us to do this", either we are ALL in this boat together or IDOT has no basis and therefore no case. I don't need a lawyer to dump 50lbs of e-mailed evidence that other states DO allow these conversions on a judge's desk, do I? Please help me expose these IDiOTs for what they are.
In the meantime, This vehicle will hopefully soon be sporting an out-of-state vanity plate that reads: IA SUX
KEEP ON (4)STROKIN!!
Posted March 08, 2002 - 02:16 PM
I don't have pics to post for ya, well I don't even have a digicam either, but I'll try to help ya out somehow. The process out here was really not that bad. There is a form/checklist type deal that must be completed by either a CHP officer or a motorcycle dealer. I went with the latter which cost me like 12 bucks or something. The form is a DMV issued statement of complience (form # ????) that basically states if your bike has a headlight, hi/lo beam, hi beam indicator, a fixed odometer or speedo, a brakelight, a horn, a mirror I think... actually I'm not positive on the exact contents, but if you want, I'll go to DMV and mail it out to you if you feel that would help. Anyway, you get the drift. The shop certifies that my bike has all these simple requirements (which it did thanks to the BD kit) and I took that down to DMV, handed them the forms, the pink slip, some cash, and left with the plate. The bike wasn't even with me.
Let me know if you want that form and I can maybe lookup some Calif. laws or something online for ya. If not, I'd go plate that sucker out of state and bring it back in under the original VIN.
Good luck man and let us know whats going on.
[ March 08, 2002: Message edited by: big_G ]
Posted March 08, 2002 - 02:24 PM
A copy of the CA requirements would be good as gold! With the help of TT members like you, I really think I can win this. Meantime, you bet, the bike is headed outa their reach!
Posted March 08, 2002 - 04:49 PM
the bike is headed outa their reach!
had to sell it to pay att'y fees huh??
I'll do some looking here in PA. I know the process has changed since 98, but it's still do-able AFAIK. Maybe I can track down the forms.
I want to see you stick it to them --in the worst way.
Have you talked to anyone from AMA? They seem to be taking a little more interest in dirt lately.
nevermind that, I just emailed firstname.lastname@example.org Sean Maher, listed on AMA's website as director of state affairs to ask their involvement. Maybe they could donate some resources/help.
I would encourage anyone else to do the same.
[ March 08, 2002: Message edited by: tbronco ]
Posted March 08, 2002 - 06:08 PM
YOU DA MAN!!! THANK YOU!! And great idea with the AMA. I've got 3 membership cards in my wallet right now (that way the boys don't lose theirs).
Posted March 08, 2002 - 06:16 PM
Posted March 08, 2002 - 06:57 PM
Thanks for the input. I'm only 65 miles from IL. I never would have guessed that IL was that reasonable. I drive truck there regularly and choke on the 55mph truck limit I guess. As a truck driver, cup holders are really important to me. I actually called BD right away. You are absolutely right, even though it was the previous owner who bought their kit, they were very helpful. IA was never on their s***list before, but they assured me it will be now. Send that info!! You will love your versatile machine with the BD kit.
Posted March 09, 2002 - 06:45 PM
Posted March 10, 2002 - 04:47 AM
Hope this helps,
Posted March 10, 2002 - 07:26 AM
Monty: try 319.626.6145 as my fax. This computer system does faxes but tells me '99 was the last time I did it and my resident 'puter expert is with Gramma today. I'll let you know with a post or e-mail as soon as I get it.
Ronin: That MN procedure sounds identical to the one IA had my bike's original owner do. What would Jesse Ventura do in this case I wonder? Walleyes biting during the short warm spells yet?
I need all the evidence I can get that this is NOT illegal in other states: KEEP the ROCKS COMING TT'ers!! In order to avoid any fallout you may be concerned about, black out the plate number in your pictures (I will if you don't) as well as any other identifying info that concerns you. The LAST thing I want is MORE of this crap to happen to ANYONE else, which is why I am fighting it here even though my bike is going to a safe place and I don't HAVE to fight to continue riding it as long as I'm clever or sneaky. That in itself sucks. That is what bad government depends on to fester and spread like gangrene: apathy, intimidation, and lack of will to fight back! What is to prevent any other state from pulling this crap except slam-dunking it here? To win the war on our rights to ride ANYWHERE, we have to fight and win individual battles. This is a very winnable battle.
Posted March 11, 2002 - 10:23 PM
I see someone has prolly faxed you the CA form from DMV, so I'll assume you got that already. Not sure what else I got that would help you but whatever helps is still okay by me.
And for sure I'm not online 24/7 as maybe some others are, but we do check our email at least once a month whether we need to or not. Personally, I put 80 miles on the WR this weekend exploring the hills above Corona, and the internet couldn't have been further from my mind. But keep us posted on what you might need and we'll see what we can do to help.
Posted March 11, 2002 - 11:39 AM
Sorry to hear about this. And I thought Kalifornia was bad. The fed excuse is totally lame and will not hold up in court. It should not be hard to convince a judge that IDOT is on glue.
Right click on the link below and save it to disk:
Print that baby and highlight the section "Your Motorcycle: The Right Equipment". Also mention that Kalifornia has the toughest regulations in this great nation. If you can figure out the vehicle code ( http://www.dmv.ca.go...op/vc/vctoc.htm ), then you are a better man than I.
Posted March 11, 2002 - 02:27 PM
Gary: trust me when I say I would have LOVED to trade places. It was evil, wicked, mean, & nasty here this weekend (I admit to spending all day on the net Sun. Just ask Ron what govt. regulation websites are like...). Spent Sat. with @ 10 other diehards from the local riding club: Cedar Valley Trail Riders. We endured 45mph winds, 70mph gusts,whiteouts, and minus kajillion windchills to haul 150 loads of new dirt (is that an oxymoron?) for expanding the local SuperX track. Can't believe the 1st Dist22 race is next Sun. It'll look like snowmobilers w/ wheels...
Ron buddy! How DID you do that?!! Wow! Seriously, I'd like to able to post links like that. The WHOLE book!! Amazing. "...Still hayseed enough to say 'Look who's in the Big Town...". SALUTE!