Posted May 28, 2000 - 07:44 AM
Just got back from a very nice vacation in Central Oregon. Of course I had to bring my favorite toy along just in case I could sneak a few miles in. What an eye-opener. This place is totally motorcycle friendly. Many places to ride legally, and no government agency with it's hand out around every bush. You don't even have to register your motorcycle for off-road use! I felt welcome rather than shunned. And the trails are spectacular. Can't wait to go back and do a lot more riding.
I guess my point is we here in Southern California have lost the battle with the enviro-freaks. Way too much control, too many stupid rules. Yep, I'm a criminal just trying to enjoy my favorite sport. LAME!
Check out that Oregon trail:
FYI: The above picture was taken at a place called Deer Creek located about 124 miles north of the California border East of Interstate 5 (Roseburg / Dixonville area).
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Posted May 28, 2000 - 08:28 AM
I'm with you on all the rules. I live in the northern half of the state (Santa Clara). I have lived most of my 37 years in this area. When I was a kid California seemed to be a much easier place to live. The increase in rules & regulations seems to directly coincide with the dramatic increase in population. In this area we have people from all over the world coming to try and grab some dot-com wealth. The housing prices are going through the roof (median $574,000). Traffic absolutely sucks! I truly believe Cal. is the most diverse & beautiful state. But the overcrowding is starting to kill it for me. My in-laws own 80 acres on the Bitterroot river in Montana. When I was there last year I didn't own a bike but I had driven my 4 wheeler. I was able to go virtually anywhere I wanted. It was like going to Yosemite and no one else was invited. I tell you what, if my stock hits I might think seriously about moving there. You talked about riding in Kennedy meadows. Many years ago I backpacked into Relief reservoir from Kennedy meadows. It wasn't that far (maybe 10 miles) but it was mostly switchback hiking (up & up & up). While at the lake I heard a motorcycle. I looked at a ridge on the opposite side of the lake and here was this guy sitting on his bike. He sat there for a minute and then took off. I thought "here I just killed myself getting up here and this guy is riding his f****** motorcycle up here!". Ever since that day I've wanted to make that ride. What trail do you take? Maybe we can get some guys together for a ride?
Posted May 28, 2000 - 08:37 AM
Posted May 28, 2000 - 03:54 PM
Posted May 30, 2000 - 04:06 PM
This weekend I spoke with an avid hunter who said that they're being criminalized as well. One example is the "earth first" anti-access radicals are now bringing the Grizzly bear back into the US national forests, where firearms are being "phased out", precluding self protection from these aggressive predators. Grizzlies are classified as an endangered species, even though there's over 5,000 Grizzlies in several countries. They each need huge areas of land (up to 2,600 sq km), and of course all OHV travel within their new territories must be stopped immediately. Check out http://www.predatorconservation.org/ (among hundreds of others!)
Hunters, fishermen, all types of OHV enthusiasts, and anyone concerned with declining freedom need to get organized. We must voice our opinions directly to our elected Congressmen, they're the only ones who have something to lose if they ignore us. Writing to Chief Dombeck & others is good (I do it regularly), but ultimately the appointed officials take orders from our elected officials. President Clinton is simply bypassing Congress and the American people through an Executive Order loophole process. Congress CAN pressure the President to rescind E.O.'s.
OK, soap-box mode off. How about this for starters: 1) Get the 100's of splintered land-use groups (see http://sharetrails.org/links.htm), plus the outdoor sportsmen's groups together, to support a Washington lobbyist(s), just like the big corporations do. Our combined efforts would generate some serious cash, and big money makes things happen in Washington. The Blue Ribbon Coalition seems to be doing a good job of direct government involvement for OHV'ers alone. 2) Start an ongoing "OHV Friends of the Media" organization, which will get members of the media involved in responsible off-roading activities. They'd actually get to experience the great sport we love, and gain a more balanced understanding of the real issues we're struggling with. Activists needed!
Posted May 30, 2000 - 10:36 PM
Sorry i'm so cynical, but i'm so very disappointed it aint even funny
Posted May 31, 2000 - 07:55 AM
The first thing that comes to mind is to put a bounty on the idiots that speak the most about closing our lands. The next thing would be........well lets hear your ideas on this subject.
Citizen Kane is at it again, raising kane.
Posted May 31, 2000 - 10:55 AM
A very good friend of mine was recently put in charge of managing his gun club's property located near Gorman. He has been kind enough to forward to me the Forest Service propaganda he has been receiving. You would not believe some of the proposals, in particular the "Roadless Area Conservation". This is a full-on assault on our sport on a national level.
If you So Cal guys like to ride the Alamo Mountain / Gorman area, I suggest you ride it a lot while you can and take pictures so you can remember how things used to be.
Check out the roadless propaganda for yourself at:
Keep in mind that the more power the Forest Service gets, the less forest use you get. I don't trust these people one bit. They have already ruined Southern California with their bogus micro-management of our riding areas, imagine what they will do with more authority. Scary stuff.
What do you suppose a used WR400 would be worth if you can't ride it?
My new motto: Earth First! We can ride the others later.
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Posted June 02, 2000 - 07:53 AM
Clinton and Gore have been so busy closing up National Parks and any area that is accessable to offroad vehicles that you guys will be without land to ride on.
Clinton is signing a bill today that will close another 3 million acres to YOU!!
Tommarrow he will be looking at somemore land to close. It's just like she said, "IT WON'T BE LONG NOW".
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Posted June 02, 2000 - 08:30 AM
How much does an acre of land go for up there in Montana where your in-laws live? How sweet would it be to have the monster ranch in Big Sky Country....
Posted June 02, 2000 - 02:25 PM
I think it's going for $5,000 to $10,000 an acre depending on location. You can spend less than that the more remote you get. You can also spend a hell of a lot more than that if you want to live by Craig Barrett or Charles Schwab. I was at a sporting goods store (Bob Wards) one day buying a fly rod when I looked next to me and saw Huey Lewis buying dry flies, pretty cool. I'm with you on the big sky ranch!
Posted June 02, 2000 - 07:06 PM
Posted June 02, 2000 - 09:50 PM
As per my earlier post on this thread, i still maintain that it's the manufacturers that are about the only hope we have to fight this eco madness we have encountered. A recent visit to off-road.com has Rick Seiman (Dirt Bike magazine editor) also sharing my views on this. He writes: "The off-road industry has ignored the land use problem to the point where they ought to be ashamed of their inaction. All they give a damn about is selling another bike, ATV, jet-ski, snowmobile or 4x4 to someone."
you can check out Ricks defeat Al Gore site at http://www.off-road.com/algore/
Posted June 03, 2000 - 08:21 AM
Everybody should be a enviromentalist to a degree. It's the whacko's that are killing us with their junk science.
Citizen Kane.........Raising Kane
Posted June 03, 2000 - 11:22 AM
I have decided to take the time to write as many government agencies as I can find to ask them what they are going to do about the recent land use issues that are ruining our sport. I think I'll write the industry manufacturers as well.
If you feel inclined to start writing down your views and sending them off, here are a few good places to start:
<UL><LI>State and Local Government on the Net
Find you local representatives and tell them what you think.</LI>
<LI>The Bureau of Land Management
I've had a lot to say to these people in the past regarding fences in my favorite riding area.</LI>
<LI> USDA Forest Service
Confront the folks that make the policies that effect your riding areas.</LI>[/list]
If you feel like the land you use is being taken away from you and your not a AMA member, shame on you. I'm proud to say I've been one for over 18 years.
Although time consuming, a hand written letter gets the most attention. You can e-mail and snail mail the same pro-off-road enthusiast verbage to many government agencies hoping at least one will be read by the right person somewhere.
I know it sounds like I've gone off the deep end here, but damn it, I'm getting tired of all these new regulations. Anyone out there gonna join me?
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