rebuilding top-end *need advise*

9 replies to this topic
  • rm125ridwe

Posted 17 February 2007 - 08:26 AM

#1


what part should i replace
-piston, rings, valve spring, timing chain
anything else also i saw some abnormal ware on the camshafts,and there are a few light lines in the cam journals, you can see them but cant feel, i guess when they did the valve recall they over torqued them.
i will try and get pictures of the camshafts it look like the plating on the lobes wore of and it only has 60hours on it do you thing yamaha would try and pick up some of the cost

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  • intensem1rider

Posted 17 February 2007 - 08:38 AM

#2

On my top end I replaced:
Cyl gasket
Head gasket
Coolant o-ring on the cyl
Tensioner gasket
Timing chain
Piston, rings, pin, clips
Cyl was soft honed
New valve springs
Valve seals

Be sure to use engine assembly grease on the piston pin and crank, on the cam journals and lobes.

  • YamahaZachary125

Posted 17 February 2007 - 09:33 AM

#3

intensem1rider how much did that all cost or what is the average cost for the yz250f to rebuild?

  • Honda_250f_rider

Posted 17 February 2007 - 10:16 AM

#4

If it only has 60 hours on it, it would be nice to refresh the top end, but it should still be ok for at least another 20 hours. But all I would do is new piston/rings/wrist pin, gaskets, valve seals, and cam chain. And then go out and :ride:

I also suggest a high compression piston while you are in there, 13.5:1, Wiseco makes a good piston kit aswell as JE and CP.

  • intensem1rider

Posted 17 February 2007 - 01:25 PM

#5

$250 and thats with a JE 13.5:1 piston kit $400 with pro circuit valve springs, but the stock yamaha springs are fine for your unless you have some crazy cams like me, so the stock springs run for something like $5 each.

  • rm125ridwe

Posted 21 February 2007 - 02:27 PM

#6

would i be able to put in new valve seal or would i have to take it to a shop also do i have to replace the valve keepers. thanks r

  • Dano426

Posted 23 February 2007 - 08:16 AM

#7

intensem1rider said:

On my top end I replaced:
Cyl gasket
Head gasket
Coolant o-ring on the cyl
Tensioner gasket
Timing chain
Piston, rings, pin, clips
Cyl was soft honed
New valve springs
Valve seals

Be sure to use engine assembly grease on the piston pin and crank, on the cam journals and lobes.

I am doing a rebuild and did not think of the Coolant O-ring on Cylinder. I can not seem to find that part. Do you have one

Thanks
D

  • ButchWR250F

Posted 23 February 2007 - 08:22 AM

#8

Dano426 said:

I am doing a rebuild and did not think of the Coolant O-ring on Cylinder. I can not seem to find that part. Do you have one

Thanks
D

If you didn't remove the steel line going into the head, I wouldn't worry about it. If you did, then you probably need one. Too bad you live too far away from me. I have a handfull of them. But it would cost more to send one than it's worth. I'd go hit up the dealer. Can't be more than .25c

  • ButchWR250F

Posted 23 February 2007 - 08:33 AM

#9

rm125ridwe said:

would i be able to put in new valve seal or would i have to take it to a shop also do i have to replace the valve keepers. thanks r

Use a meduim size needlenose plier. Once the valves & spring are off the seal is very easy to see. Grab the top of it with the needlenose & pull straight up.
It should pop right off. Sometimes you have to do this 2 or 3 times, but it'll come off. Another trick is to go get an inspection probe that has a hook on the end and you can use the hook to get underneath it & pull up. This should work too.

You may re-use the keepers. I've never seen one fail before, and I've rebuilt up a bunch of these YZF motors.

Replace the springs also. They are cheap, and although I've never seen one fail, I have heard of that happening. They are cheap enough that it's a no brainer. Also, replace the cam chain. You can't have too new a cam chain in these motors. It isn't a weak spot, but it was a compromise between weight & strength. The valves are light, and the springs are light. It doesn't take a very strong chain to spin them, so they used as light a chain as they could.

Good luck!!!

  • ButchWR250F

Posted 23 February 2007 - 08:40 AM

#10

rm125ridwe said:

what part should i replace
-piston, rings, valve spring, timing chain
anything else also i saw some abnormal ware on the camshafts,and there are a few light lines in the cam journals, you can see them but cant feel, i guess when they did the valve recall they over torqued them.
i will try and get pictures of the camshafts it look like the plating on the lobes wore of and it only has 60hours on it do you thing yamaha would try and pick up some of the cost

Put the cams back in the head with some oil or assy lube. Put the keeper back in place for the cam bearing & put the caps back on. Torque them to spec. Now try to turn the cam. It should turn very easily (until it hits the valve). If it turns easily, no worries. If it turns with a slight resistance, it still should be OK. If you have to muscle it to turn it (or they won't turn at all), the head is messed up and will need to be align honed to fix it.

Yamaha will probably not pick up the tab on that one, as it wasn't their fault it got over tightened (unless you can PROVE one of the dealer mechanics did it).



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