Why Crf has better sales numbers.OkOo


28 replies to this topic
  • The Italian Stallion

Posted November 19, 2006 - 03:48 PM

#1

Ok It is not my intention to piss everyone off here I am a yami man.but the facts are honda sells more crfs then any other brands and these are my reasons why #1 history honda was always a motor company not a ship builder,not a violen maker older guys 30 and up remember storys of old man honda rebuilding his factory 3 times after being destroyed in WW2 even making his own concrete recipie to carry on #2 The glory days of Thorpe, Baily, Omara , Johnson those rc works bikes what guy 30s and up don,t remember those days? those same guys are the ones with the $$ to buy these bikes today.#3 colour would you rather have a red Farrari or a blue one? a blue Shellby GT500 or red? Yamaha knows this why do you think the new white plastic is out or a dark yellow? because they cant use red the dark blue is the 2nd best choise though.And the other brands? forget it! you get cermot the frog or John Deer tractor.and a yellow lemon yellow also means chicken shit! Oh and that joint venture of the two made you have even less faith in them.#4 the aluminum perimeter frame not that it is any better its the look it looks heavy duty reminds you of a GP road racer..why do you think suzuki and kawi copied it? fuction I think not! these are my reasons for this bikes sales and they are so ingrained in the MX consumer that they overlooked valve problems, cracked cylinders,and pushing front ends for the past few years [stupid but true]

  • Chickenhauler

Posted November 19, 2006 - 04:05 PM

#2

One of the major reasons why Honda sells more CRF's than any other model, is take a good hard look at the different displacements offered. These range form CRF 50 to 450. The CRF 50 has been the best selling motorcycle worldwide for several years, hands down. Numbers mean nothing when you aren't comparing similar sales.

  • The Italian Stallion

Posted November 19, 2006 - 04:18 PM

#3

One of the major reasons why Honda sells more CRF's than any other model, is take a good hard look at the different displacements offered. These range form CRF 50 to 450. The CRF 50 has been the best selling motorcycle worldwide for several years, hands down. Numbers mean nothing when you aren't comparing similar sales.

Absolutly but i ment the 450 and 250.

  • grayracer513

Posted November 19, 2006 - 04:52 PM

#4

After struggling heroically with your lack of punctuation, capitalization, or interconnected ideas, never mind the spelling (it's "Kermit the Frog"), I am left with the idea that your contention is that Honda sells more because they are red. Is that it?

Honda sells more because they spend more on more effective advertising, and produce products with a broader appeal very often. Yamaha 4-strokes were counter-cultural when they were first introduced, and just when they had caught on to the point that Honda had to introduce the CRF to compete, Yamah produced the YZ450F, which was roundly criticized as "pure race only", not usable as a recreational bike, and "unrideable by mere mortals", largely because of it's uncompromising power delivery and four speed trans. None of that was true, but the sales suffered nevertheless, because Honda had a five speed, and a gentler engine.

The '06 was a major earthquake. More Honda owners have switched sides this year than in any past that I can recall. Trends take time to take shape. Let's see what the sales figures are next year.

And anyway, who the hell cares who sells the most bikes? As long as Yamaha keeps building theirs, I can get what I want. If the demand is low, so much the better for me.

Next time, please take a little more time with your written communication so it doesn't take so long for me to read it. Red? Don't be silly.

  • kxman

Posted November 19, 2006 - 05:36 PM

#5

Damn, that was too painful to read all the way through! What did he say?

  • steve_97060

Posted November 19, 2006 - 05:58 PM

#6

something about using a home made red concrete recipe to build a ferrari that cermot the frog was going to race a john deer tractor with I think...

  • arel451

Posted November 19, 2006 - 07:57 PM

#7

After struggling heroically with your lack of punctuation, capitalization, or interconnected ideas, never mind the spelling (it's "Kermit the Frog"), I am left with the idea that your contention is that Honda sells more because they are red. Is that it?

Honda sells more because they spend more on more effective advertising, and produce products with a broader appeal very often. Yamaha 4-strokes were counter-cultural when they were first introduced, and just when they had caught on to the point that Honda had to introduce the CRF to compete, Yamah produced the YZ450F, which was roundly criticized as "pure race only", not usable as a recreational bike, and "unrideable by mere mortals", largely because of it's uncompromising power delivery and four speed trans. None of that was true, but the sales suffered nevertheless, because Honda had a five speed, and a gentler engine.

The '06 was a major earthquake. More Honda owners have switched sides this year than in any past that I can recall. Trends take time to take shape. Let's see what the sales figures are next year.

And anyway, who the hell cares who sells the most bikes? As long as Yamaha keeps building theirs, I can get what I want. If the demand is low, so much the better for me.

Next time, please take a little more time with your written communication so it doesn't take so long for me to read it. Red? Don't be silly.


Well done Gray, you did it again!:cheers:

  • TD-3

Posted November 20, 2006 - 03:42 AM

#8

something about using a home made red concrete recipe to build a ferrari that cermot the frog was going to race a john deer tractor with I think...


LOL! Now that is funny! :cheers: :p

  • mkporn

Posted November 20, 2006 - 08:05 AM

#9

LOL! Now that is funny! :p :bonk:


I'll second that.:cheers:

  • stroker

Posted November 20, 2006 - 10:10 AM

#10

from 1998 to 2001 want a 4 stroke racer? only blue was available...

2002 till 2005 Honda had the edge, alum. frame etc etc

2006 blue is back with a full redesign, and it is good and now going head to head with red... we will see who wins!

(actually the consumer wins... I hope yellow and green step up, and force the others to keep laying down the technology to us to try and stay ahead of each other)

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  • BDOG510

Posted November 20, 2006 - 10:50 AM

#11

Honda is the most well made bike. I have owned Yamaha and Honda and the Honda is just better built with Yamaha a close second.

  • YzGuy79

Posted November 20, 2006 - 10:57 AM

#12

Honda is the most well made bike. I have owned Yamaha and Honda and the Honda is just better built with Yamaha a close second.


I'll have to second that. The only reason I'm on a Yami, is because my favorite dealer sells them. If he started selling Hondas tomorrow, guess what I'd be buying.

  • flintlock28

Posted November 20, 2006 - 11:18 AM

#13

If Honda is the most well made....then why the ongoing Valve issues????

Check out how many former Honda racer's are switching to Yami's because of valve issues. Not saying that Honda isn't a great bike, but why take a chance on a bike that has a much,much higher failure rate regarding the valvetrain. I wanna ride, not rebuild valvetrains.

  • NDC

Posted November 20, 2006 - 11:29 AM

#14

If Honda is the most well made....then why the ongoing Valve issues????

Check out how many former Honda racer's are switching to Yami's because of valve issues.


I'm in that group....and the 06 YZ450 is absolute god send, hands down.

  • Blue4Ever

Posted November 20, 2006 - 01:17 PM

#15

Jason, Do not let the critics get you down. We all have a opinion, and you know what the critics are going to say about that!? Every body has one ect... The simple fact that Honda has been at the top of the market is real. Being at the top of the market do not make a co the best as a product only in sales which is what most co strive for. Many rides in this sport started on the Red machine, and as humans we tent to no like change and go with what we now has worked in the past even if ther might be someting better out there.

P.S. There are some on TT that want to let you know what they know, which is what this site is all about!! It's the ones whom get critical of others efforts to communicate there opinion and the ones who jump on that band wagon that are disappoining!! We all work better to improve w/positive feed back rather than negitive.

  • kylwk1500

Posted November 20, 2006 - 02:17 PM

#16

i am die hard yamaha. I have a yamaha road bike, atv, and my pride yz450. I would have to say that i would probably never purchase another brand, but every honda i have ever seen is a great looking bike that will normaly run just as hard or harder than my yz. You know when it comes down to it. The skill of the rider will make the difference when riding identical bikes. We can talk about how one runs better than the other, but carmichel could probably beat me on a pw50 out on the track. So i say let the others out there puchase the kawis, suzukis, and hondas otherwise we would not hbe able to give the other guys flack when we want to. Ride blue, but respect the others!

  • cubera

Posted November 20, 2006 - 02:25 PM

#17

If Honda is the most well made....then why the ongoing Valve issues????

Check out how many former Honda racer's are switching to Yami's because of valve issues. Not saying that Honda isn't a great bike, but why take a chance on a bike that has a much,much higher failure rate regarding the valvetrain. I wanna ride, not rebuild valvetrains.


Valves issues are propaganda. Of the over 100,000 CRF450Rs sold in the US, very few have had any problems. All hyper 4-Strokes eat valves and pistons. Fact of life not restricted to Honda.

  • Climber

Posted November 20, 2006 - 02:34 PM

#18

Honda has always had a well known name, since their "you meet the nicest people on a honda", which was aimed at the "clubbers" that rode Harleys, in the 60s.

They have always been well known and had a great advertising strategy. Marketing to young riders on mini-bikes. And, once they had you in their corner, they had a brand loyal customer.

  • Blue4Ever

Posted November 20, 2006 - 02:42 PM

#19

Valves issues are propaganda. Of the over 100,000 CRF450Rs sold in the US, very few have had any problems. All hyper 4-Strokes eat valves and pistons. Fact of life not restricted to Honda.


I am sorry if this puts a bee in your bonnett but do a search for valve issues in all forums and see how many of what brand comes up!? I personally have rebuilt 3 CRF450R top ends, all with the left intake valves mushroomed not worn. All well maintained. It's a random problem as not all have had this experience. :cheers:

  • YZ426F Rider

Posted November 20, 2006 - 03:34 PM

#20

And anyway, who the hell cares who sells the most bikes? As long as Yamaha keeps building theirs, I can get what I want. If the demand is low, so much the better for me.

Amen brother.





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