HONDA CRF vs XR


23 replies to this topic
  • bil2303

Posted June 10, 2006 - 04:40 AM

#1

I recently went to look at a XR650 and the dealer steers me to the CRF's, what gives ?

  • needsprayer

Posted June 10, 2006 - 05:04 AM

#2

Excess stock, trying to make room for the 07s? :applause:

  • pigryder

Posted June 10, 2006 - 05:05 AM

#3

because that dealer like all other dealers are F N retards!!!!! man dont get me started on dealers again IM gonna lose it

  • redrooster65

Posted June 10, 2006 - 05:12 AM

#4

Because unless you are riding Baja everyday the CRF is a much better bike

  • Phuzzy McPhuzzface

Posted June 10, 2006 - 06:17 AM

#5

I recently went to look at a XR650 and the dealer steers me to the CRF's, what gives ?


Newer designs (not necessarily better for your intended use), more of the "buzz" is going on in the CRF line. 650R is a King, plain and simple. Just because it isn't making the headlines or spotlight detracts nothing from its earned position.

Or as was stated, dealer had more CRF's to sell, or his margin was better on them. A dealer buddy of mine told me that some shops get one bike only. They prefer to hold on to it as long as they can to give the illusion that they have inventory available. This makes no sense to me. If a buyer wants a bike, sell it! So, maybe he was short on 650R's?

No telling what demented thoughts go thru a dealer's mind, really. :applause:

  • wr450fyamaha

Posted June 10, 2006 - 10:08 AM

#6

They make more money on CRF's, they have more, and they need more replacement parts.

  • DaveySprocket

Posted June 10, 2006 - 12:43 PM

#7

It all depends on what your intended use is, your riding experience, size, etc. The XR is better at some things, the CRF better at others. If you are a 90# new rider looking into getting into motocross, the XR is definitely not for you. We all love the XR here, but you really need to get the bike that best fits your needs.

At least the dealer is keeping it within the family (Honda) :applause:

  • Thunderbug

Posted June 10, 2006 - 05:27 PM

#8

The 650's have their buyers. Its a cult bike and the demand for it will never die.

Now, the CRF's, now thats a different story....

  • Jayzonk

Posted June 10, 2006 - 09:13 PM

#9

Don't let him change your mind. If you need a mechanic's advice, just ask someone in the forum about the 650R.

  • JSanfilippo

Posted June 11, 2006 - 06:48 PM

#10

They make more money on CRF's, they have more, and they need more replacement parts.


Exactly :applause: Not only is the profit margin on the CRFs higher, but by trying to sell you the 450x the dealer is looking at more sales in the parts and service department because of the bikes high upkeep

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  • weskc35k

Posted June 11, 2006 - 10:53 PM

#11

The profit margin at Honda shops was actually biased towards the big XR here in Australia and at Honda Japan or America the 650 has had no new tooling or jigs for 7 years so it isn't aboot the margin on a new bike.
As good as the CRF's are they will never be classics like the xr600 or 650r or the cr500 .

  • uncleroby

Posted June 12, 2006 - 01:47 AM

#12

The XR 650 is a rallye bike and an old concept bike that means it is powerful, reliable, long lasting bike. I have 42.000 kilometers on mine and it is still running perfect. I just changed oil every 5000 kms and that's it.

The 450X is a CR: a motocross bike adapted for enduro use. It is lighter, much easier but. like the CR450R, needs a lot of maintainance, oil changing, valve adjustment, pistons change...

I use my XR as commuter, sual sport, off road.
I love the CRF but I do not dare to buy one and use it the same way.

Uncleroby

  • Blome

Posted June 12, 2006 - 06:18 AM

#13

If only they could make the CRF with the reliability of the XR. Damn that would be sweet. :applause:

  • JSanfilippo

Posted June 12, 2006 - 04:25 PM

#14

If only they could make the CRF with the reliability of the XR. Damn that would be sweet. :excuseme:


Yamaha has something pretty damn close to that, its the WR 450f

  • Blome

Posted June 12, 2006 - 06:37 PM

#15

Yamaha has something pretty damn close to that, its the WR 450f

Is that the same engine as the YZF (I don't know squat about yamaha's)?

  • makita suzuki

Posted June 12, 2006 - 06:45 PM

#16

Because a crf 450 would not smoke but definetly run with the 650 for less weight and less bulk.But my friend robby has a xr 650 and it is a badass bike it will climb and hill in a 900 acre park that i ride at!

  • weskc35k

Posted June 12, 2006 - 06:45 PM

#17

Blue is poo.

  • BigBoreRacing

Posted June 12, 2006 - 09:59 PM

#18

Because a crf 450 would not smoke but definetly run with the 650 for less weight and less bulk.!

You make it sound like thats all the difference...you're not mentioning the HUGE difference in torque, and engine braking etc. that the 650R brings to the table....It all depends on what kind of riding you do and which bike fits it (and you) the best. And if you opt for the CRF expect high maintenance, seems I spend half my premium riding time waiting for my riding buddies (CRF's) to get their valves adjusted and/or replaced. Now don't get me wrong..I'd love to have both (XR650R/CRF450X) But if you just want to change the oil/clean the air filter and ride with absolutely no worries, I'd stick with my XR always have been and always will be the toughest, most dependable bike ever built! :excuseme:
But...thats just my Honda lovin ass's opinion...I'm sure there's other opinion's :bonk: lol

  • uncleroby

Posted June 12, 2006 - 11:03 PM

#19

XR is a philosophy, a concept.

Unfortunately it belongs to the past...

To me, bike with the same concept (at least here in Italy) are: DRZ400E, KTM 625 SXC, the new Husqvarna TE610.

These bikes are studied for dual sporting, the others are race bikes.

The WRF maybe is the more reliable between the race bikes.

  • weskc35k

Posted June 12, 2006 - 11:36 PM

#20

Well then let me live in the past.
A lot of WRF's that are a few years old are starting to hand grenade here in OZ.
If i want to live in recent history i will ride my cr500 and in a straight line blow the doors off any modern new fangled race bike.





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