i want to go street legal


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  • tooofast

Posted March 01, 2006 - 12:28 PM

#21

Now I don’t know how this translates but when it comes to building firearms you can build one a year for personal use (not for resale). But as a “manufacture” they can build as many as you like because you have a “manufacturing license” I’m Just guessing but not sure, you must be able to get some kind of “license for manufacturing” bikes for resale. Perhaps there is a different levels for the like of Honda vs OCC. Small numbers may be exempt from some restriction or perhaps get exemptions but I would want much harder information than is presented here before I made any plans on registering bikes new, converted or custom.

  • cleonard

Posted March 01, 2006 - 12:39 PM

#22

All I can say is that I will be keeping my street licensed 93 XR600 forever! :thumbsup:

  • wickedsprint

Posted March 01, 2006 - 05:36 PM

#23

Cleanord....you said it perfectly !!! NO MODS WHATSOEVER are legal to the muffler/intake/carb etc.....on street legal bikes.

I build custom motorcycles as a hobby.....Ive done 3, and the 3rd is ready to be inspected and registered, my one and only lifetime custom, that sucks.

I too have thought about "legalizing" my 600r but once I talked to the title bureau, I changed my mind.

This will take some time for all ststes to be online with the new regs, but its as easy as a DMV records search as to who registered what, in which year.

They are even talking about issuing matching vin #'s for exhaust systems for street legal bikes......get pulled over with an "Aftermarket" exhaust and pay big fines....$500 first offense....this is supposed to happen in 07'-08'.



Do you have sources for any of this information, I don't believe you.

  • thummaster

Posted March 01, 2006 - 07:45 PM

#24

I dont care if you dont believe me.....&%$#@!.....do a google search for EPA regs and you will have all the info your brain could possibly process !!!

This is fact, not fiction........these rule pertain to "STREET legal bikes"......if you plan on converting an R to an L you better read the laws...... Its all about emissions.

Honda's 06 street bikes are all EPA compliant( restricter plates, baffeled, smog etc.....) there dirt products dont need to be.
I build bikes.......I pay attention to the laws. The law has been on the books since 1994 but they started enforcing it as of 1/1/06.

Believe what you want....go to a dealer and ask about the new 06' model street bike and see what mods were done to make it EPA compliant.

  • 4whlfun

Posted March 01, 2006 - 08:16 PM

#25

I just did my XR650R in January of this year. I live in Phoenix AZ. In order to ride on the forest roads in Az. We have had to license or dirt bikes and Quads for years. If we live in Phoenix we have to emissions test them every year. So what you are telling me is I can't do another? They wheren't conserned about inspecting it. Just asked if it had all the street legal equipment. Also we have to insure them just like your car or truck.

  • wickedsprint

Posted March 01, 2006 - 09:21 PM

#26

I think this guy is confusing building custom bikes with dualsporting a bike that already has a VIN, I highly doubt wyoming is going to come and take my tag *shrugs*

  • thummaster

Posted March 01, 2006 - 09:22 PM

#27

You were lucky.........next year at inspection time you may not be.

The major problem with the law in enforcing it......state and federal agencies are not in tune with each other when it comes to something of this magnitude. It will take a while for themm to get hteir ducks in a row, but once everybody is on the same page...I bet they will search DMV Records and people will start getting letters.

Look, Im not saying that you wont be able to do it in your state....but eventually you wont be able to convert a "dirtbike" to a streetbike without complying to the EPA rules.

  • thummaster

Posted March 01, 2006 - 09:28 PM

#28

wickedsprint, before you spew shit, get educated on the law.

Dualsport is just that....a "STREET LEGAL' bike for the purpose of ON/OFF road riding.
If its manufactured before 06' and it was originally a dualsport bike its fine........DIRTBIKES are for dirt only therfore excempt from the EPA laws. Its not rocket science....its all in balck and white.

If you have an 05' XR600R that you want to make 'STREET LEGAL....thats where you run into problems because it was meant for the dirt only.

ANyone who wants the facts do a search....its all there.

  • targetdrone

Posted March 01, 2006 - 09:29 PM

#29

I WILL get my YZ plated this week. The mechanism is not in place yet to certify that a bike is or is not EPA certified here. I will either take advantage of this, or I will have my one now. For better or worse, for quicker or slower, 'til death do us part....

  • thummaster

Posted March 01, 2006 - 09:31 PM

#30

right on Brother....Im just trying to make people aware.

Im trying now to do my R but its a pain in the ass in NY.

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  • wickedsprint

Posted March 01, 2006 - 09:35 PM

#31

wickedsprint, before you spew shit, get educated on the law.




That was mildly uncalled for, You keep mentioning "custom bike" and once in a lifetime conversions, I don't think this applies to tagging a dirtbike that already has a VIN, I don't think they consider a tagged dirtbike a "custom" vehicle like the choppers and whatnot. My proof being that my motorcycle title shows my 650R as a streetbike and nowhere does the word "custom" exist on it. As far as being educated on the law, I have legally plated 3 dirtbikes in the last 9 months, and I don't think I have to worry come inspection time, our state has no inspections, either for emmissions or equipment :thumbsup:

  • don87xr600

Posted March 01, 2006 - 10:38 PM

#32

wickedsprint, before you spew shit, get educated on the law.

Dualsport is just that....a "STREET LEGAL' bike for the purpose of ON/OFF road riding.
If its manufactured before 06' and it was originally a dualsport bike its fine........DIRTBIKES are for dirt only therfore excempt from the EPA laws. Its not rocket science....its all in balck and white.

If you have an 05' XR600R that you want to make 'STREET LEGAL....thats where you run into problems because it was meant for the dirt only.

ANyone who wants the facts do a search....its all there.

Please direct me to where I can buy a 05' XR600R. thanks.

  • thummaster

Posted March 02, 2006 - 07:54 AM

#33

Sorry don87.....I want one too !! Got my years confused.

Wickedsprint......custom refers to the fact that you have taken a bike that was manufactured with certain features and added or modified that bike for the purpose of making it street legal. Because you have plated 3 bikes in the last 9 months means nothing, certainly does not mean your wducated on the law....... Maybe we should all move to Wyoming where anything goes.........

If you bothered to read ALL my post you would have read that Stste munincipalities and federal agencies are not on the same page yet......someday they will be......so my suggestion to you is forget that you read any of this.....live in LA la land and all will be good.

Me on the other hand and hopefully others will get fired up about the new BULLSHIT epa ruling and try to stay informed and educated ......write our congressmen and legislatures to try and change or modify the present ruling. Im all for saving the environment but when Im riding my bike and I see a bigass truck go by spewing diesel into the air it hardly makes me think the EPA law is a good one.

I posted in this thread to make people aware of the law....simple, not to be called a liar or to be told I was wrong. You interpret the law however you want.
"chopper" builders are most affected by this ....yes, they build custom bikes......the problem lies in ones definition of custom.....not mine or yours but the governments.

Your title doesnt need to say custom, or special construction etc......... I have a title for all my dirtbikes, they need to be registered to ride trail in NY........again, the problem is when I try to legalize the bikes for the road, I need to add the necessary equipment, get an inspection in ALbany, get the bike inspected including emissions yearly etc......get the picture....it aint gonna happen, at least in this state.

  • wickedsprint

Posted March 02, 2006 - 08:06 AM

#34

OK, here is an actual reference, the same one YOU already posted actually. According to this if our bikes already meet emissions standards they can never be a custom, so maybe in ten years when Wyoming actually gets a computer in their DMV office I might have to worry *shrugs* I have to look up and see if my 650R meets the emissions requirments, the California version does but I do not think mine does.

http://www.abatecmro.org/epa_regulations.htm

"Can I still build my own custom motorcycle?

Starting in 2006, it will be legal for you to build your own custom motorcycle. In the new EPA rules this is called a “kit bike” and it will not have be to tested to verify that it conforms to the new emissions standards. There are, however, some very specific rules that will apply to your kit bike.
You are only allowed one emissions-exempt kit bike in your lifetime.
You may not sell your once-in-a-lifetime emissions-exempt kit bike for five years after its final assembly.
You may have someone else assemble your kit bike for you as long as you have purchased the components prior to the start of the assembly.
You cannot build your kit bike by modifying a factory-built motorcycle that was certified to meet EPA emissions standards. You must start with a new engine and frame.
Under the existing rule, all kit bikes are supposed to be tested and certified to meet the 1979 EPA rules.
An EPA-exempt kit bike can be used on the road without any travel restrictions.

What is meant by “one exempt kit bike for a lifetime?”

This refers to the wording of the new EPA rule that allows for the construction of your kit bike and it refers to your lifetime. You are allowed one EPA-exempt kit motorcycle that has no restrictions on how and where it may be used under this rule. The exemption is for the motorcycle owner's lifetime. When and if a new rule comes out that addresses engine certification, the lifetime exemption may be rewritten.

Do I have to assemble my EPA exempt kit bike myself?

No, you do not have to assemble your kit bike yourself. You can pay someone else to assemble your kit bike after you purchase the “kit” or components that will be assembled into the final motorcycle.

Can I build EPA-exempt kit bikes and sell them?

Under this rule, building EPA-exempt kit bikes and selling them to other people would not be allowed. The ultimate owner must own the components before the assembly process begins. You can build as many kit bikes as there are people who are willing to pay you to assemble their components. People or businesses that purchase kit bikes to assemble and then sell them are not covered under this exemption, but may be able to use the “custom motorcycle” exemption explained later in this document.


Are there any other exemptions that might affect me?

There is one other type of exemption that will apply to riders, and that is the “custom motorcycle” (CM). This is like the kit bike in that it does not have to meet the EPA emissions standards, but different in several other important ways. A builder may build 24 or fewer per year and sell them commercially by notifying the EPA and including a tag somewhere on the motorcycle stating: THIS MOTORCYCLE IS EXEMPT FROM EPA EMISSIONS REQUIREMENTS. ITS USE ON PUBLIC ROADS IS LIMITED PURSUANT TO 40 CFR 86.407-78©. The 25th and all subsequent motorcycles built that year by that builder must all comply with the new emissions standards. An individual can own as many of the CM exemption motorcycles as he/she can afford. However, there are severe restrictions on how and where they can be used on the roads. Use on public roads is limited to display purposes, such as traveling to and from motorcycle shows. This could be a show in your hometown or a show on the other side of the country. The distance does not matter, only the reason for the travel. "


  • sorenlaf

Posted March 02, 2006 - 08:24 AM

#35

That was mildly uncalled for, You keep mentioning "custom bike" and once in a lifetime conversions, I don't think this applies to tagging a dirtbike that already has a VIN, I don't think they consider a tagged dirtbike a "custom" vehicle like the choppers and whatnot. My proof being that my motorcycle title shows my 650R as a streetbike and nowhere does the word "custom" exist on it. As far as being educated on the law, I have legally plated 3 dirtbikes in the last 9 months, and I don't think I have to worry come inspection time, our state has no inspections, either for emmissions or equipment :thumbsup:


First, let me say that I'm only trying to help with more information, I'm not trying to point fingers or offend anyone.

I recently read something **very** similar (like identical to the limits of my memory) to what thummaster is saying - believe it was in Friction Zone. FZ is pretty good about getting the correct information, not perfect, but I would believe them above most publications.

As to your 3 bikes in the last nine months, the law has only been in effect for 2 months, were any done since 1/1/2006? I believe anything plated prior to '06 is not affected (grandfathered in).

Next, you make a very good point. I'm not at all sure if (1) a dirt bike to dual sport constitutes a "custom" construction; there is no construction to speak of, simply the addition of some parts.

I'm sure this will get sorted out in the next six months or so, but how about less name calling all around until there is clarification as a few people go through the process under the new rules? This is something that will almost certainly be determined by "case law" (what actually happens when you try to dual sport a second bike after 1/1/2006), rather than simply a reading of the rules.


--Soren

  • Supplicate

Posted March 02, 2006 - 08:37 AM

#36

Maybe we should all move to Wyoming where anything goes

I love it when flatlanders display their ignorance. :thumbsup:

  • cleonard

Posted March 02, 2006 - 09:49 AM

#37

I was so :thumbsup: pissed off about this whole thing, I spent all last night reading up about it all. Here is what I found...

This is really EPA regulation, not law. A fine distinction I know. The EPA doesn't register bikes, the states do. Most states have quite a bit of resistance to federal regulation and don't change their ways until forced to. Consider that to be a benefit of living in Wyoming. One possibility is that federal law enforcement, like BLM or forest service rangers, may start enforcing the federal regulations(no tampering). The normal method is for the federal govt. to threaten witholding federal highway funds. Only happens for big issues. The last time I remember was to get the states to change the drinking age to 21 and to make the legal alcohol limit .08%. I doubt this issue will cause this to happen.

The major change here is that the EPA is now trying to get some enforcement. It's a combo of the new smog limits and the old, from 1979, no tampering regulations. As a resident of California, I get to be the first to experience anything new in the regulation department. The letter of the law in California is that bikes MUST have an on road emissions sticker, or no plate. Currently only Husky TE's have this sticker. The XR650R does not meet the on road emissions, only the off road. Since the DMV here can't find it's ass with both hands, most people who try are still able to plate bikes that only have the off road emissions sticker. Will they be able to keep those plates when the DMV gets its act together, who knows. Expect this policy to eventually spread nationwide.

The kit bike thing is only for frames with no VIN number. The only way to go the custom/kit bike route is to get a frame with no VIN. No taking a regular dirt bike and plating it through the custom/kit route. The California DMV calls custom/kit bikes "special construction."

  • HappyCurmudgeon

Posted March 02, 2006 - 03:02 PM

#38

I really don't know much about this whole deal, only spent a short time at work ("sshhhh.....") looking for a little info.

My take? worst case? they change the laws, i have to have a "stock" bike for emissions testing once a year.

Fine. I have all my original parts. I WAS going to eBay them off, i may just sit on them for a bit.

IF i have to pass an emissions test for inspection reasons, it would take one short afternoon to throw back on the stock jetted carburetor & throttle assembly, airfilter, tailpipe, and steel tank. After all, those are the main items i have changed. That SHOULD throw it back to legal on the emissions, and pass inspection.

From what i understand, it has to be at or below Noise level as originally designed, have a steel tank, and emit ozone oblitterating gasses only as much as originally designed, at factory levels. changing those three basic parts back to stock, and tossing a piece of duct-tape over my air box holes, should make me pass. Although i would have to limp it to the station, and limp it home.

the next am i whip back on all my other stuff and go ride! :thumbsup:

until next year.


Mind you this only works for inspection/test. if i get pulled over in mod-mode, I'm hosed.

  • thummaster

Posted March 02, 2006 - 03:31 PM

#39

Remember.....if your bike is a PRE-06' model it doesnt matter what you changed....these bikes are "Grandfathered in"....meaning the EPA doesnt regulate them.

  • wickedsprint

Posted March 02, 2006 - 08:43 PM

#40

Luckily Wyoming DMV is about ten years behind the times.





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