Canadian 01 WR426 DMV licensing attempt #1 - Semi-failure....



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  • Trey

Posted August 30, 2001 - 05:26 PM

#1

The DMV lady had me grabbing my ankles at our 3:50 pm appointment today, she was brutal to me and the resulting spanking was not pretty.... I bought a Canadian WR426 from a shop in Canada 5 mos. ago, had it shipped down to NoCal, added a Baja kit and Panoram speedo and went to get plates today. The lady ended up giving me a temporary 1 month plate and charged me sales tax (I hadn't paid in Can) F... me, but here's the catch though, not only that, but i have to do two things: 1) I have to have my bike inspected by CHP (I already had a dealer vouch for legality, but that's not adequate for this registration apparently), and also 2) request a Certificate of Origin from Yamaha directly. Then and only then will my bike receive Cali tags. This lady cut me no slack, and was really on top of her game...a truly noble DMV soldier for the Californian people. Anyhooow, I have a temporary tag, and at this point need to get CHP to inspect and pass my 426, and also get Yam to pitch in a Certificate of Origin. Any advice from people who have experienced either of these two routes would be helpful. >>I'm in SF and considering getting an OHV green sticker then dual-sporting, but fear recent Ca DMV activity suggests these types bikes may be getting flagged>> Anyways, any help much appreciated guys, either with Yamaha or CHP. In the mean time, I'll be riding the shi! outta my bike and tearing as much &%$#@!$ing Cali highway up as possible... Thanks and God bless

  • WRrider

Posted August 31, 2001 - 05:41 AM

#2

I met some guys on the trails up in Kennedy Meadows and they also told me they had to go to the CHP. They were told it is an "experimental" thing they (DMV) are trying out. One thing that you may need to think about.......most people do not put DOT tires on when dual sporting their bike. The CHP (knowing them) will probably check your tires. Other than that, I believe they are "just another stepping stone" we may have to be doing. I dual registered my WR426 in June and was not required to visit our friends at the CHP.

Good luck.....be patient.....it is well worth it!!

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Bob from Aliso Viejo
2001 WR426

  • big_G

Posted August 31, 2001 - 10:03 AM

#3

Oh god...where do I start...

Originally posted by Trey:
The DMV lady had me grabbing my ankles at our 3:50 pm appointment today, she was brutal to me and the resulting spanking was not pretty....


Uhhhhhhhgggg....It's like stepping into a communist country anymore isn't it...

I bought a Canadian WR426 from a shop in Canada 5 mos. ago, had it shipped down to NoCal, added a Baja kit and Panoram speedo and went to get plates today. The lady ended up giving me a temporary 1 month plate and charged me sales tax (I hadn't paid in Can) F... me,


Trey, did you make the 91 day rule?? Which is bikes registered after 91 days from date of sale, should not owe another state tax (in CA at least). Does Canada not apply since its not another state??

but here's the catch though, not only that, but i have to do two things: 1) I have to have my bike inspected by CHP (I already had a dealer vouch for legality, but that's not adequate for this registration apparently),


Trey: What form of "voucher" do you have? Is it the "Statement of Facts" one?? It states your vehicle is equipped with signals, horn... This was all I needed when I did my WR. However, you may be correct in that there is a new flag at DMV. Bad news if true!! If you gotta go thru CHP for another "Statement of Facts", my guess is that if you thought your DMV experience was rough, CHP's gonna flat cornhole you. Given the right mood, you might have to prove everything under the sun, starting, not ending with the DOT tires. Unless you got friends there, I wouldn't count on getting anywhere on this. Their job is to enforce the laws, regardless of the law or its communist basis, so don't I'd say don't let them do their job...

and also 2) request a Certificate of Origin from Yamaha directly.


I believe that everything needs one of these for DMV or it doesn't exist, normally the dealer sends this to DMV for you but again, I'm not 100% sure on potential problems with this document as it did not get screwed up by my dealer. Yours may be missing simply because its in Canada...methinks you'll need this no matter what you do registration wise, in any state...

Then and only then will my bike receive Cali tags. This lady cut me no slack, and was really on top of her game...a truly noble DMV soldier for the Californian
people.


Not this Californian!!!

Anyhooow, I have a temporary tag, and at this point need to get CHP to inspect and pass my 426, and also get Yam to pitch in a Certificate of Origin. Any advice from people who have experienced either of these two routes would be helpful. >>I'm in SF and considering getting an OHV green sticker then dual-sporting, but fear recent Ca DMV activity suggests these types bikes may be getting flagged>> Anyways, any help much appreciated guys, either with Yamaha or CHP. In the mean time, I'll be riding the shi! outta my bike and tearing as much &%$#@!$ing Cali highway up as possible... Thanks and God bless


Dude, that sucks!! I did not travel this exact route but will offer what I did actually go thru.

I hope I'm wrong, but you may be up the DMV river without a paddle. You have a "temporary plate" that lets you on the street for now right? That has to mean that your bike is now registered, at least to some extent, and this probably can never be undone. It also looks like you have to follow thru on your temp status at DMV so your in for at least one more reaming there. It also sounds like they want the CHP certification SPECIFICLY now and you will owe that pass or fail. I wouldn't turn in a failing grade if at all possible. However, you may not have a choice here anymore as your 30 days is ticking away. If what your going thru IS a new policy at DMV, then my guess is that this is where they now draw the line for plates. Progressing logically, plate vs. no plate will also draw the line at green vs. red sticker. Man...this really looks like a gen-you-wine clusterf#$%.

You really didn't do anything wrong Trey, getting around DMV requires a freakin PhD nowadays so you're not alone. This very topic, and free education therein, was one of the main reasons I decided to come out of the shadows and into ThumperTalk. Riding rules, this site is bitchin, and freaks making stupid laws need to have opponents. We gotta get you outta this mess cuz a fully plated WR is a thing of beauty, if not its own religion, and is therefore a sacred thing. NOW, before I get too misty...

Here's the bottom line as I can see for now. You may be on a one-way road to plates in CA and we don't know where that leads for now. That door will open or close in the "30 days" so we'll find out then. You TECHNICALLY also have a shot at green sticker to go, but I don't know how that might shake out, since you've tipped your hand with DMV on the street reg. side. A greenie would give you another shot at plates as this is what got me my plates.

If all else fails, I would go out of state and get plates there. The BD kit has suggestions for Vermont and from what I gather on this forum, works well and can all be done by mail. I would have done this myself, but mine is a '99 and already had a greenie. And as we know, Green=Gold. Going to VT or any other state for that matter, may actually be both the only way out, and the most glorified way out. The reason this loophole may always exist is one huge dissertation about states rights, the constitution, and basically the basis for our beloved country circa 1776. Hopefully, our last defense will always be bigger than DMV because when its not, we will be flying Stars and Sickles at the capitol...

Anyway...even with out of state plates, you may still be in for a fight with DMV over CA plates, since they have seen your VIN before. This would be groundbreaking territory and I personnaly doubt DMV itself can circumvent laws in other states, but lets not put ANYTHING past them for now...

Please continue to post your progress on this...

Let me know if I can help...Gary

(By the way, I was not asked for Proof of Insurance by DMV)

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'99 WR400 with CA plates...ooooh yeah!!!


[This message has been edited by big_G (edited September 04, 2001).]

  • weekendtoy98DR

Posted August 31, 2001 - 11:18 AM

#4

Another overlooked hitch here is the Certificate Of Origin.They come from the factory stamped "for off road use only".This may pose a problem for you.

  • toms

Posted September 01, 2001 - 05:34 PM

#5

I'm visiting from the DRZ List. The Cali DMV hassle is the only reason I opted for the 'Street' version of the DRZ. Even though it came with a CV Carb, and a lesser suspension package, it was worth the effortless street registration process. I have since shoved in a new carb, and relocated all the smog gear into a special box in me garage.

In California, your street registration is not written in stone, its stamped in the 8th number in your VIN.

I'd rather be riding, instead of standing in lines.

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  • x400racer

Posted September 03, 2001 - 07:15 PM

#6

I have some info that might help. I had a wr400 (99) that I got CA plate. They broke out the book & checked line for line starting with the 8th diget of vin. Per book 3 or c gets you a green sticker and chance for plate.It all went easy for me but my friend with a drz400 (00) had a problem. He got the green sticker in the mail.Then he tried to get a plate.DMV gave him the normal "S.O.F" & inspection paper.Bought the kit & got signed off.Went to DMV and they told him the bike was not legal for street use.Then they told him that he got a green sticker on accident.They wanted him to return it and take a red sticker.Needless to say he got escorted out after some kind words.He went through the vermont deal with no problem .Just have your origin cert.

  • needanewbike

Posted September 04, 2001 - 02:34 PM

#7

After Vermont registration are you guys transfering it back to CA?

  • big_G

Posted September 04, 2001 - 03:47 PM

#8

WRider: I guess I didn't read your post very closely the first time, your 426 is a 2001 right?? You must therefore also posses the evil 8th digit right?? Would you mind sharing how you got that thru? I know many on TT, including myself, would like to know!!

x400racer: Would you be willing to share any info on how the process went?? Did he ever xfer back to CA plates?? Did they bitch cuz its a red sticker bike?? This may be good news for Trey...

needanewbike: Yes, that would be the idea. Since the law state you gotta xfer by 10 days, CA plates are almost automatic.

toms: Am not going to take the flame bait on this one. Well...okay, the DRZ was the very first thing I sat on when I went to the dealer way back when...the rest is self evident....BBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPP

Thank to all for your input...IT WILL GO TO A GOOD CAUSE!!!

Trey...any updates yet??

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'99 WR400 with CA plates...ooooh yeah!!!

  • dhowell

Posted September 05, 2001 - 04:03 AM

#9

Things may not be so bad for you. I am currently in the same boat with my yz in Maryland. I have already taken my bike to a registered inspection station and received a passing grade. That took a baja kit, wr kick stand, dot stamped nobbies, some $4 bicycle mirrors, a wr stock can and baffle (thanks again Mike Sandy) and the big thing ($) was a wr stator to run the lights.

I took my bill of sale and the inspection paper to the mva and I to was rudely shown the door until I can produce a certificate of origin. I called the dealer that I received the bike from and they had to re-order the co from yamaha. They told me it would take two weeks. That was about a week ago. I have been in touch with the mva since then to make sure there were no surprises when I show up with a co stamped "off road use only". I was told that as long as I have the bill of sale, the co and a valid inspection sticker that there will be no problem. Oh I forgot, there is a form that I have to fill out for a new title since I am converting a dirt bike to a street bike (yea right) and of course an insurance number.

Hopefully, by next week I will be able to conclude this ordeal and be able to ride to the trails. I am not sure if the process in Cali is any tougher than Maryland, but it sounds like you may just have to get a few more things (mirrors, etc.) and just get it inspected. But, call your dealer and get that co ordered.

Good luck!

  • WRrider

Posted September 05, 2001 - 06:51 AM

#10

Big_G -

Guess I forgot to mention one important detail. When I purchased my 2001 Wr426 (for the low cost of 7 BIG ONES!!) I was also offered any one of the following free gifts:

1)A fishing pole
2)A CCM "Wayne Gretzky" Edition hockey stick
3)A "How to" book on using the word 'eh at the end of all your sentences.

So......which one do you think I chose?...eh!

So back to your question as to how I got my WR street legal...........................
it's a Canadian Import....eh!! The VIN numbers from Canada run differently than the US models....eh! DMV just looks at that lovely eighth digit....a "W".....eh!! And "Here you go Sir....here is your CA plate".....said the nice DMV lady!!

However......a ranger in Big Bear, Ca. told me (with my bike parked 50 yards away!!) that they go by a "list" that tells them which bikes are not street legal. And the 2001 WR426 is on it. They are aware of the Canadian game the dealers are playing, but they (the rangers) say it is not legal.

I say........"DMV issued me this plate....you write me a ticket......I see you in court!!............EH!!!!!!!!!!

So far no problems with any rangers and I have been checked by them in Kennedy Meadows.

You have to love the U.S.........or should I say.....Canada.....EH?




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Bob from Aliso Viejo
2001 WR426




 
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