More powerful?


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  • OsearyDrakoulias

Posted November 06, 2005 - 06:48 PM

#1

Hey, I'm looking to pick up either a new XR650L or a DR650SE. I'm a big guy, so I prefer a more powerful machine. Is the Honda a more powerful bike? Any other reasons why it's a better machine? Thanx.

  • wr450fyamaha

Posted November 06, 2005 - 06:59 PM

#2

if you want a street bike that can take the occasional dirt road, go with the dr. the xr is the dual sport king, it is equally good at both dirt and street but excels at neither. they are pretty close for power output. the suspension can be tuned on both for virtually any weight range. the dr is not made for the dirt, if you want to dirt ride, get an L. or if you dont want to dual sport, get an xr650R.....most power and best by far in dirt.

  • zackm58941

Posted November 06, 2005 - 07:58 PM

#3

Oh boy, here goes yamaboy... Sorry OsearyDrakoulias, anyways if your looking to get into something good on the street and dirt, look into the drz400s. One of my buddies just picked up a new one and its much more well rounded in both aspecs. Check them out sometime.

Zack

  • BIG RED

Posted November 06, 2005 - 09:30 PM

#4

my freind had the dr and went to the xrl in stock form the dr had way more power

  • XRsteve

Posted November 06, 2005 - 09:48 PM

#5

I really don't know much about the DR, but I can say that the XR has plenty of torque once its uncorked. And uncorking is really easy and fairly cheap. It is also very reliable. I don't know how much a DR will benefit from cheap mods compared to the XR, hopefully somebody else can answer that.

  • TREADMARKS

Posted November 07, 2005 - 03:40 AM

#6

If your a big guy, and can benefit from a tall powerfull bike, I would go with the XR650L.

Uncorking is very easy, suspension is easily adjustable and the aftermarket is full of goodies like big tanks, pipes and cams that can take you to a level that the DR would probably not go.

What ever your choice, enjoy! :banghead:

  • BWB63

Posted November 07, 2005 - 08:03 AM

#7

Oh boy, here goes yamaboy... Sorry OsearyDrakoulias, anyways if your looking to get into something good on the street and dirt, look into the drz400s. One of my buddies just picked up a new one and its much more well rounded in both aspecs. Check them out sometime.

Zack


I agree! I am a Honda rider all the way but, the DRZ400 is a better bike for the money. The DRZ400e has a lot more pep but, the DRZ400s can be upgraded to "e" They are a lot lighter then the DR650SE

DRZ400s weighs 291 pounds and puts out 31rwhp (stock) & 36rwhp uncorked. Ground clearance of 11.8"

DRZ400e weighs 264 pounds and puts out 34 rwhp stock & 40 rwhp uncorked. Ground clearance is 12.8" everywhere but California it has an awesome Keihin FCR39 pumper carburetor. This bike is way lighter, more suspension, and a lot higher Horsepower to weight ratio then the other three bikes.

Stock the DR650SE puts out 43.80 BHP (@ the engine) @ 6400 RPM that is about 35 rwhp (Dyno) it weighs 324 pounds and has a little more power then the stock XR650L because of the higher compression piston of 9.5:1. The DR650SE peps up real well once uncorked; giving 41rwhp> The seat is much lower then the XR650L at 34.7" high, ground clearance is 10.4". The bike is much lower to the ground and much longer (58.7 wheel base & 88.8" over all), making the front wheel stay down, the bike doesn't wheelie as easy but, has more power then the XR650L.

Stock XR650L putt's out 32rwhp (dyno) stock and 36~38rwhp (Depending on the carburetor mods). It has a 8.3:1 compression piston. It has a seat hight of 37.4" and ground clearance of 10.3" Wheel base of 57" & 87" over all. Because of the shorter wheel base and extra 1.5 inches of suspension travel the XR650L handles much better in the dirt and will lift the front wheel much easier, making it "Feel" more powerfull. The XR650L carries it's weight better for off road.

Both bikes can be stripped of 15 pounds of weight. The Suzuki can be made to put out 45 rwhp much easier then the XR650L. Both can put out 50hp with 675cc higher compression piston, cam, header/muffler.

I hope these facts help.

  • Mountain Road Madness

Posted November 07, 2005 - 03:30 PM

#8

Go with the XR650L you want be disappointed.

  • wr450fyamaha

Posted November 07, 2005 - 06:30 PM

#9

Oh boy, here goes yamaboy... Sorry OsearyDrakoulias, anyways if your looking to get into something good on the street and dirt, look into the drz400s. One of my buddies just picked up a new one and its much more well rounded in both aspecs. Check them out sometime.

Zack



like he said, hes a heavy guy......my cuzon has a drz400e and almost botoms it out just sitting on it.....he weighs around 230. he wants a bike for a heavy guy, not a light guy.

  • BWB63

Posted November 07, 2005 - 06:39 PM

#10

Both the XR650L and DRZ400e Have springs for 180 pound riders. The race sag is set different. The XR650L has 11kg/mm shock springs and .43kg/mm fork springs. If the race sag is set low enough on a bike it will sag almost all of the suspension. Both bikes would need to be resprung for a 230 pound rider. Facts.......Oh, wait you don't look for those do you?

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  • wr450fyamaha

Posted November 07, 2005 - 07:35 PM

#11

Both the XR650L and DRZ400e Have springs for 180 pound riders. The race sag is set different. The XR650L has 11kg/mm shock springs and .43kg/mm fork springs. If the race sag is set low enough on a bike it will sag almost all of the suspension. Both bikes would need to be resprung for a 230 pound rider. Facts.......Oh, wait you don't look for those do you?



nope, bigger bike fits bigger guy, plain and simple! i know frome expiearance on this one, i have my rear spring tightened to half, my cuz's is at full and his drz sags about 7 inches when he sits on it, my bike sags about 4. if i tightened mine all the way up, it would prolly sag about an inch or 2.

  • BWB63

Posted November 07, 2005 - 08:22 PM

#12

nope, bigger bike fits bigger guy, plain and simple! i know frome expiearance on this one, i have my rear spring tightened to half, my cuz's is at full and his drz sags about 7 inches when he sits on it, my bike sags about 4. if i tightened mine all the way up, it would prolly sag about an inch or 2.


U R almst 2 1000 postess! U mite wont two tri du spll chck!

So, let me get this straight. With all your "expiearance" you know that bigger bikes have stiffer springs for bigger riders? Has nothing to do with the linkage or the bikes weight? Or how much travel (the DRZ400e has more travel then the XR650L) Nothing to do with that "Race sag" is to be about 1/3 of the total travel of the shock for the riders weight ready to ride. I am starting to understand that you wite all this for negative attention. I don't think your 16, I think you can spell, I think your just lonely, drugged and sick.

Here is some reading so you can get some facts. It's not done and there are a lot of spelling mistakes. Things are not in order but, it should be perfect for you.

http://www.borynack..../suspension.htm

More facts:

http://www.borynack....r650r_shock.htm

http://www.borynack....r650r_forks.htm

http://xr650r.borynack.com/

The guy that wrote those web pages could use you "expiearance"? :banghead:
I for one don't know it all and sure do make mistakes. I miss-understand things and miss-spell. but, come on enough......read a little, learn a little...get a life.

DRZ400e has .44kg/mm fork springs that is a little light for a 180 pound rider but, has a 5.3kg/mm shock spring and is perfect for a 180 pound rider.

This is off Racetech:
Stock Shock Spring Rate 5.3 kg/mm (stock)
Ideal Rider Weight for the Stock Spring 180 lbs or 82 kg
But, they don't know nothing. Start posting facts from reliable source.

  • wr450fyamaha

Posted November 07, 2005 - 09:15 PM

#13

ok, i am 16 and i do know how to spell but i choose not to! i beleive that the spoken word is also the written word. and we were never talking about race susp either. nor were we talkin about a 180 pound rider. the guy wants a bike made for a "big guy" which means to me 225+, not about 180.

  • BWB63

Posted November 07, 2005 - 09:43 PM

#14

ok, i am 16 and i do know how to spell but i choose not to! i beleive that the spoken word is also the written word. and we were never talking about race susp either. nor were we talkin about a 180 pound rider. the guy wants a bike made for a "big guy" which means to me 225+, not about 180.



The point is both bikes come stock for a 180 pound rider. They have different linkage but, they both have a spring that supports the weight of the bike and a 180 pound rider. You may have to add more spring tension to get the right "race sag" = 1/3 of the total travel(it's a term that is used for one of two sags, the other is static sag). Bigger bike isn't setup for bigger rider. The XR650R is setup for a 160~170 pound rider, the bars are way to far back and the foot pegs are to far forward for a big guy (over 6'). You hear it all the time. A lot of these bikes are made for the average guy (That includes the guys that eat rice) not made for 6' + burger eating, beer drinking 230+ pound guys. So, the point is that the XR650L and the DRZ400e are both setup for the same weight guy; stock. These are facts that are excepted by all serious riders..............but, then again the suspensions I setup for the Baja 1000 just might not work?

  • bsukalski

Posted November 07, 2005 - 11:10 PM

#15

well, I must admit, even though wr450 has almost 973 or something worthless posts, it gets real riders/racers fired up enough to post the REAL answers!

the guys who have been responding to wr's posts have been extremely helpful in uncorking my own 650L through the past 6 months. I wish I could buy you guys a beer!! :banghead:

I better spell check now before I post... :banghead:

  • bsukalski

Posted November 07, 2005 - 11:12 PM

#16

oops, sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thead with that last post!! :banghead:

  • BroTank

Posted November 08, 2005 - 07:18 AM

#17

I don't know about the L but I have a XR650R and I'm 300lbs. This bike carries where ever I want to go. I don't jump it alot because i don't have any suspension upgrades yet but as far as power, it has plenty.

  • lrutt

Posted November 08, 2005 - 10:21 AM

#18

I agree! I am a Honda rider all the way but, the DRZ400 is a better bike for the money. The DRZ400e has a lot more pep but, the DRZ400s can be upgraded to "e" They are a lot lighter then the DR650SE

DRZ400s weighs 291 pounds and puts out 31rwhp (stock) & 36rwhp uncorked. Ground clearance of 11.8"

DRZ400e weighs 264 pounds and puts out 34 rwhp stock & 40 rwhp uncorked. Ground clearance is 12.8" everywhere but California it has an awesome Keihin FCR39 pumper carburetor. This bike is way lighter, more suspension, and a lot higher Horsepower to weight ratio then the other three bikes.

Stock the DR650SE puts out 43.80 BHP (@ the engine) @ 6400 RPM that is about 35 rwhp (Dyno) it weighs 324 pounds and has a little more power then the stock XR650L because of the higher compression piston of 9.5:1. The DR650SE peps up real well once uncorked; giving 41rwhp> The seat is much lower then the XR650L at 34.7" high, ground clearance is 10.4". The bike is much lower to the ground and much longer (58.7 wheel base & 88.8" over all), making the front wheel stay down, the bike doesn't wheelie as easy but, has more power then the XR650L.

Stock XR650L putt's out 32rwhp (dyno) stock and 36~38rwhp (Depending on the carburetor mods). It has a 8.3:1 compression piston. It has a seat hight of 37.4" and ground clearance of 10.3" Wheel base of 57" & 87" over all. Because of the shorter wheel base and extra 1.5 inches of suspension travel the XR650L handles much better in the dirt and will lift the front wheel much easier, making it "Feel" more powerfull. The XR650L carries it's weight better for off road.

Both bikes can be stripped of 15 pounds of weight. The Suzuki can be made to put out 45 rwhp much easier then the XR650L. Both can put out 50hp with 675cc higher compression piston, cam, header/muffler.

I hope these facts help.


I'd have to challenge those HP numbers. I have an L uncorked and my son has a DRZ SM with full pipe, air box mod and jetted.

I can pull him any time any where. He acknowledges my bike has more power as well. His run's fine, just not as quick or as much TQ (which a big guy needs riding) as my uncorked L.

  • BWB63

Posted November 08, 2005 - 10:43 AM

#19

There is quite a big differemce between a DRZ400e and a DRZ400s. The XR650L puts out (I am at work now so I'll check the numbers later) more torque through to whole range. It is true that a DRZ400e puts out more horsepower then a uncorked XR650L, which puts out more horsepower then a DRz400s. Those are real numbers off a dyno. Do some research off the net and bring numbers that say other wise. You will be right if your son has a DRZ400s but, if it a DRZ400e with a Kehin FRC 39 pumper carb. Then there is something wrong with it. You will not find a stock XR650L that will beat Pastrona's DRZ400e SM. :banghead:

  • ghoti

Posted November 08, 2005 - 01:21 PM

#20

There is quite a big differemce between a DRZ400e and a DRZ400s. The XR650L puts out (I am at work now so I'll check the numbers later) more torque through to whole range. It is true that a DRZ400e puts out more horsepower then a uncorked XR650L, which puts out more horsepower then a DRz400s. Those are real numbers off a dyno. Do some research off the net and bring numbers that say other wise. You will be right if your son has a DRZ400s but, if it a DRZ400e with a Kehin FRC 39 pumper carb. Then there is something wrong with it. You will not find a stock XR650L that will beat Pastrona's DRZ400e SM. :banghead:

Heck you wouldn't find a stock R to beat it.





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