I notice recently that Yamaha is going to put SSS Kayaba's on their '06 YZ's. What does SSS stand for and what makes them different from the AOS?
Thanks
Kayaba SSS
Started by
Dolce_Grappa
, Aug 16 2005 11:53 AM
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Posted 16 August 2005 - 01:52 PM
sss= speed sensitive suspension
not sure what this means other than the valving /oiling is probably controlled by the compression/rebound speed
not sure what this means other than the valving /oiling is probably controlled by the compression/rebound speed
Posted 17 August 2005 - 08:07 PM
Dolce_Grappa said:
I notice recently that Yamaha is going to put SSS Kayaba's on their '06 YZ's. What does SSS stand for and what makes them different from the AOS?
Thanks
Thanks
The 2005 YZ KYB's had a plastic oil lock chamber in the lower leg - that is considered position sensitive damping. Apparently, the '06 forks are using an upper bleed similar to the Showa's that is speed sensitive.
I'm not really concerned with what the Marketing guys print up, I want to see the legs on these bikes get better and better!
Posted 18 August 2005 - 03:14 AM
SC_Spode said:
The 2005 YZ KYB's had a plastic oil lock chamber in the lower leg - that is considered position sensitive damping. Apparently, the '06 forks are using an upper bleed similar to the Showa's that is speed sensitive
SC_Spode or anyone> the bleed system on the showa's that you talk of. can you direct me or discribe were to look for this bleed . I am going to repace my fork seals today for the first time. Since I am in there I would like to take a peak to see what your are talking of.
Posted 18 August 2005 - 08:48 AM
Its the collar at the top of the spring, it has holes drilled in.
Erik
Erik
Posted 18 August 2005 - 08:56 AM
I just looked at what you described are you talking about the spring perch that the spring rest on at the top.. wow that is some big holes if thats what we are talking about. with those big holes how is this speed sensitive.
Posted 18 August 2005 - 10:35 AM
couchrider said:
I just looked at what you described are you talking about the spring perch that the spring rest on at the top.. wow that is some big holes if thats what we are talking about. with those big holes how is this speed sensitive.
With a Newtonian fluid, which is what I believe most suspension fluids are, the resistance is speed sensitive by nature.
Ever try to slam a screen or storm door with the dampers on them? The faster you move it the more it resists.
Posted 18 August 2005 - 01:23 PM
Which is a better design on the showas the honda SSS or the Suzuki style ( Spring perch tube with the holes in it) Is this why the Suzuki's has a plusher feel ?
Posted 19 August 2005 - 03:14 PM
This is what Yamaha says.
Which means nothing.
Here's a photo.
In opinion, this isn't anything new other than KYB fixing their earlier mistakes. Or trying to. I mean, all forks and shocks are "sensitive" to rod speed, obviously. So what are they building on?
With that, nothing will really take me by surprise until they start to look at rod position and bike speed. Then we might have something.
DaveJ
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Speed-Sensitive System 48mm Kayaba fork move the TCV (transfer control valves) above the fork springs, so that damping force is now controlled by piston speed; that prevents mid-stroke damping force changes, for a smoother, more precise ride.
Which means nothing.
Here's a photo.
In opinion, this isn't anything new other than KYB fixing their earlier mistakes. Or trying to. I mean, all forks and shocks are "sensitive" to rod speed, obviously. So what are they building on?
With that, nothing will really take me by surprise until they start to look at rod position and bike speed. Then we might have something.
DaveJ
Posted 20 August 2005 - 02:26 AM
DaveJ said:
This is what Yamaha says.
Which means nothing.
Here's a photo.
In opinion, this isn't anything new other than KYB fixing their earlier mistakes. Or trying to. I mean, all forks and shocks are "sensitive" to rod speed, obviously. So what are they building on?
What that, nothing will really take me by surprise until they start to look at rod position and bike speed. Then we might have something.
DaveJ
Which means nothing.
Here's a photo.
In opinion, this isn't anything new other than KYB fixing their earlier mistakes. Or trying to. I mean, all forks and shocks are "sensitive" to rod speed, obviously. So what are they building on?
What that, nothing will really take me by surprise until they start to look at rod position and bike speed. Then we might have something.
DaveJ
Dave is correct.
they screwed up badly on the first 05 tc kyb ,
and now they are trying some different language to sell bikes,
and hopfully made the new fork work and move better ( it sure looks good, it has more possibility's, and the bike feels way better with the new designs )
(06 yz 250 )
this is not new its just marketing .
