Greenies - You've made your bed, now sleep in it!

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  • Bryan Bosch

Posted March 13, 2001 - 11:46 AM


My heart goes out to those anti-greenie Californians. (moved from San Diego to Oregon this year).

> It's Not So Green in the Dark
> The lights go out in California. Armchair environmentalists had it =
> coming.
> Thursday, February 8, 2001 12:01 a.m. EST
> Well, boo hoo hoo. That's the most sympathy I can muster for all those
> Californians currently tripping over their espresso makers in the dark. =
> For
> once we have some justice. Very bad decisions mean very cold hot tubs.
> I'm not talking here about deregulation (though the bureaucrats sure
> botched the job). I'm talking about supporting extreme environmentalism.
> California is home to any number of earth-saving groups. More to the =
> point,
> it's home to an inordinate number of people who fund them. From the Napa
> Valley to the Imperial, middle-class, left-leaning types have stumped up
> quite a bit of booty for "good environmental causes." Californians =
> consider
> themselves some of nature's best friends.
> But now these armchair environmentalists are faced with a big decision. =
> A
> decade's worth of ill-advised programs are starting to cramp their cushy
> lifestyles. California enacted some of the strictest environmental rules =
> in
> the world and refused to build any new dam or plant. Now, with supply =
> low
> and prices high, the state is flailing. And so the armchair crowd must
> decide: Will they support radical environmentalism or pragmatic
> conservation?
> Armchair environmentalists are very much a product of our times. They're
> the people who say we mustn't cut down trees or drill in the tundra, but =
> then
> drag their children through Yellowstone in a gas-guzzling SUV and start
> campfires on the side of the road. They sit in their four-bedroom =
> houses,
> on nice one-acre plots at the edge of town, and fret about urban sprawl. =
> They
> own energy-sucking computers and televisions, but adamantly oppose new
> hydroelectric dams. Once a year, perhaps twice, they sit down and write =
> fat
> checks to the Sierra Club or Greenpeace. And they feel very good about
> themselves. There are a lot of these folks. They qualify for the =
> "armchair" label,
> because they actually know very little about the environment. They don't
> really need to, because their mission isn't really to do right by the
> planet but to ease their own guilt over the good economic times. And so =
> they
> lazily support causes that sound good: affirmative action, campaign =
> finance and .
> nature.
> Armchair environmentalists have done little to follow up on their
> environmental investments. The groups they funded sallied forth to
> Washington during the 1990s, and, finding an all-too-willing Clinton
> administration, became shrill and extreme in their demands. Reasonable
> suggestions for preservation gave way to backroom deals on animal =
> research,
> severe restrictions on logging, and ill-considered decisions to stop
> building fire roads in millions of acres of forest land.
> And hey presto, look what the armchair dwellers got. Their prized =
> Western
> vineyards are being shut down in deference to a supposedly endangered
> salamander. Wealthy upstate New Yorkers have had their backyards turned
> into protected wetlands. Snowmobiling, that favorite weekend treat of
> hardworking executives, may be barred from national forests. Electricity =
> prices are
> soaring because no plants have been built. And with all those blackouts,
> how are Californians supposed to charge up their electric cars?
> Now the armchair crowd is whining: This wasn't what we meant!
> California is an amusing lesson of cause and effect. It takes all those
> worst-case scenarios that responsible conservationists have been warning
> about for years and makes them reality. It shows, step by step, what
> happens when pie-in-the-sky environmental policies--initiated by =
> environmental
> groups, paid for by armchair environmentalists and pushed through by
> ambitious politicians--win out over a reasoned balance between humans =
> and
> nature. California energy demands have risen 25% over the past eight =
> years, while
> the supply of new electricity has risen 6%. What makes for the =
> difference?
> Well, a coalition of environmental groups spent decades fighting the
> building of the Auburn Dam, a hydroelectric facility with immense
> electrical potential. The Rancho Seco nuclear reactor near Sacramento =
> was shuttered
> after environmental groups campaigned against it. Calpine Corp. has been
> barred from building a plant in the Coyote Valley. Severe air pollution
> regulations have kept plants from running at full capacity. The list =
> goes
> on. No major power plant has been built in California for 10 years, each
> one stopped because of environmental protests.
> A friend recently mourned the days when environmental groups gathered
> like-minded people to appreciate nature and think of ways to care for =
> it.
> There still are some: Hunting organizations across the U.S. organize
> cleanup days when members go out into the forest to pick up litter. Many =
> private
> charities use their money not for lobbying but for buying pieces of land =
> at
> market prices and then working hard to preserve the flora and fauna on
> their plots.
> But most of these grass-roots organizations have given way to radical
> groups demanding heavy-handed government intervention. This is partly =
> because the
> people who funded them didn't bother to understand what they supported. =
> It
> was partly because younger idealists came to their helms. It was partly
> because Eastern lawmakers, ignorant of the West and its needs and
> practices, had these special interests to lunch and made them promises.
> Either way, these groups no longer care about stimulating public =
> interest
> in the natural world. They have their own, fanatical views of how nature
> should be managed and intend to make us live by their rules. The =
> eco-terrorist who
> has been burning down houses in Arizona because they obstructed his
> mountain-biking views has been egged on by environmentalists of all
> stripes.This shouldn't surprise us; it's the next logical step for =
> people who
> believe humans play second fiddle to trees.
> George W. Bush has said when he leaves office he wants cleaner air and
> water than when he arrived. But Mr. Bush and his interior secretary, =
> Gale Norton,
> realize the way to do this is through forward-looking ideas like market
> environmentalism, an approach that holds that market incentives =
> encourage
> individuals to conserve resources and protect the environment. By =
> putting
> market values on our resources (like water for electricity, or land for
> grazing rights) we as a nation can decide how much we are willing to pay
> forour conservation, how much for other activities, and then make =
> intelligent
> tradeoffs.Of course, I could be wrong. If you're a Californian and you =
> have ideas for
> how to keep enjoying your plump lifestyle without exploiting natural
> resources, by all means e-mail them to me. Oops, I forgot, you can't. =
> You
> don't have any power for your computer.
> Ms. Strassel is an assistant features editor of The Wall Street =
> Journal's
> editorial page. Her column appears on alternate Thursdays

  • Boit

Posted March 13, 2001 - 07:02 PM


When that electricity crunch hit Cali, I had to grin a little. I was wondering how all those greenies were going to cope. I suppose they thought watts and amps grew on their trees and magically found it's way into their energy consuming homes. As soon as it affect THEM personally, they start crying. Ever notice how Greenpeace uses that rusted out pollution-spewing thing they refer to as a ship?..and then they use a 2-stroke powered outboard power boat to block another ship's path that they don't agree with. These morons want to stop all chemical plants from operating...even the ones who have made tremendous strides in cutting pollution...while at the same time using all the end-products produced by these companies. Like a wise man once said..."It all depends upon whose ox is being gored"

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  • Bryan Bosch

Posted March 14, 2001 - 12:58 PM


Man! If this doesn't get you excited, what will? :D

Ok, ok... Riding the WR tends to have that affect! :)

Please forward this articles to others. The Greenies love to portray off-roaders as irresponsible enemies to our way of life. Lets make sure to put things info perspective. Articles of this nature are few and far between.

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  • Harry_in_Oz

Posted March 18, 2001 - 04:12 AM


Thanks guys, it may not be obvious in the States, the place is big enough to ignore the global effects of anti development but at some stage we must go on the offensive and I do mean offensive. Each of us establishes an internal balance between Humanitarianism and Environmentalism. Each time global production is limited by a green initiative it becomes harder to feed the worlds population ie. food prices rise. At each step a few more kids somewhere succumb to hunger related diseases. The quality of air, water and food only becomes important once the quantity is available. Regardless how much a Greenpeace or Sierra Club supporter gives to the Save the Childrens Fund, what they give with one hand they take away with the other tenfold.
Simply accusing them of deliberate genicide is generally unhelpful, only a handful have made a conscious decision to reduce the worlds population by the "diminished survival method". It is helpful though to remember just what these people are achieving, helps me treat them with the "respect" that they deserve.

  • sclaus

Posted March 18, 2001 - 07:30 PM


Hey TT-ers,

How long are we [riders] going to allow the greenies to keep walking all over us? There are enough of us in the off-road community that if banded together, could make some *serious* noise. Blue Ribbon has been trying for years to get the message out, but it takes each one of us to get involved. We dodged a bullet with Al Gore, and in 4 or 8 years we could get *really* screwed! I don't know what the answer is to getting the off-road community organized...but it needs to be done.

Just my thoughts...

2001 WR426, PW50

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