Is WR worth a damn on woods trails?
Posted November 07, 2000 - 07:54 AM
I know that the WR is the most High Tech, and I want one like crazy, but they don't do test rides around here and I have no idea if it meets these needs.
Any Input? Non-Biased Input? BTW I'm 6'3" and 250lbs.
Posted November 07, 2000 - 08:34 AM
But you didn't tell us what kind of riding/racing experience you have.... sounds like not much?
The DRZ is better in the tight trails, but might get scary in the fast stuff and has a soft suspension (you might have to buy springs for it at 250#s).
The Honda XR400 might be the best choice, because the tighter and tougher the trail, the better it is... you would be one of the few guys who didn't have to buy a softer rear spring for it also (the stock rear spring is way too stiff for most people).
thats my .02c
Posted November 07, 2000 - 08:37 AM
Posted November 07, 2000 - 09:01 AM
Posted November 07, 2000 - 09:38 AM
I don't have the bike singing in the tight stuff yet however; I believe the bike will. You just have to get used to it. The bike has all the potential in the world and will be a DRZ killer once you figure it out. I'd buy one and practice, practice, practice.
[This message has been edited by Bryan Bosch (edited 11-07-2000).]
Posted November 07, 2000 - 10:04 PM
have you got the Y2K model?
i haven't heard of anyone putting the scotts (less offset triple clamps) on this model.
it was considered a good mod in 99. the shortening of the wheelbase can only have pushed the balance of the weight forward & shouldn't really have helped the steering at all/much/if any.
but the 5mm shorter frame AND the clamps, now that would be a good bet.
Posted November 07, 2000 - 10:05 PM
I'm about your size and weight and I find the WR to be great in the woods. I dropped a tooth on the front,as per recommendations found on this site, and my blue beast suits me fine.
if you're not on dial-up, check out htis video... it's 130 MEG big, so unless you're on cable or DSL or T1.. forget it But it does show the trails 'we' ride on up here. .. and the bike in the vid is a WR400
Posted November 07, 2000 - 10:31 PM
Have you done anything with the clamps,bars or seat foam?
I'm not buying a XR400, simply because Honda is showing the watercooled, high compression next generation version in Europe according to Cycle News. These things loose enough value without a signifigant model change.
Posted November 07, 2000 - 10:48 PM
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Posted November 07, 2000 - 01:07 PM
nope, my machine is bone-stock except for the front sproket change. I'm a long term street rider venturing into the dirt world. So I thouht I would ride for a bit before changing anything. The FIRST modification I'll make will be a new seat and the second will be some higher-rise bars. It took me a few hundred miles to feel that I could voice an opinion about this wunder-bike and my butt voiced it's opinion first.
IS IMS (ISM?) the place to go? I'm still looking and since it's -15C here now, there's time to make that decision. Luckily the cold should moderate a bit and I'll be able to get out again before xmas.
Posted November 07, 2000 - 02:16 PM
if i were to ride around an open throttle corner & change direction without blipping the throttle i would say the handling was sure & stable.
but anything that means zig-zagging around rocks or tree stumps & you have to put sooooo much leverage into the bars! i have to push with the whole fist & can't get my fingers clear to the levers.
i can on a one off but when you're knackered & two hours into a race i have to really force the high side of the bars away from me in a corner.
that's why i get hand cramp (no jokes!) in an enduro. my hand is always a fist.
i really would like to take 1 degree out of the headangle & try the scotts (SSTC). the scots especially. i'm brassic for now though.
i even pushed the rear wheel back when i geared it up; i was fed up with wearing out the mudflap.
Posted November 07, 2000 - 02:59 PM
Taffy, I know what you mean about hand cramps though, the last race I ran, I had to shift without the clutch for a while because every time I pulled it in , My hand wouldn't release it!! I ordered a scotts dampener that should be here tomorrow with the triple clamp setup and protapers. I'll give you my impressions after I ride with those installed.
By the way, this is the first bike I've had since about 1985. This is my first year racing, and I am still thoroughly impressed with the capabilities of this bike.
Posted November 07, 2000 - 04:12 PM
I bought the WR rode a few weeks, once in the woods and bought some handguards and raced a GNCC. hat was I thinking. Being from California and racing in the woods of North Carolina was all about survival. I did finish and had a ball. The WR's power saved my butt a couple of times and on some very slippery, rooted and rutted hills I just twisted the loud handle and roosted pass all of the two-smokes laying all around. Of course they all passed me back, but it was still fun.
I have no regrets on buying the WR and am always learning to go faster. Which is an option on the WR.
5'11", 190 (hard) and 41 last week!
86TT225, 98CR80, 99WR, WR timing, throttle stop trimmed, air box lid removed, White Bros head pipe, silencer and air filter. Odometer and headlight removed. Moose hand and mud guards. YZ stock tank and IMS seat. Renthal Jimmy Button "highs" and Renthal Soft half waffle grips. AMA, SETRA.
Posted November 08, 2000 - 02:56 AM
i use the progrips as there is a bit more meat on them.
these, the juice clutch & the protapers have all helped.
another thing i've done which i haven't ever mentioned before is that i get my levers & immediately bend them forward & around to the front. this allows me to keep my two smallest digits on the bars. i love it. the scrutineers laugh & my mates question my sanity-again!!!!
but the real reason for my thread is to ask if you are getting the scotts short triple clamps? i'm absolutely convinced that you will be improving the bikes slow speed steering by purchasing the scotts STC's.
all i ask you to do is vision the following scenario. you're on an old bike with the stand up. you go from lock to lock while sitting at a standstill. the bike sits lower at full left & right lock. your effort goes into lifting you & the bike up vertically about 1" to point the wheel ahead.
imagine it with the clamps holding the legs 1" further forward. imagine the leverage you would need to put in to get the front wheel upright.
i hope i've persuaded you. remember that to speed up the steering we generally make it less stable. & YOU'VE GOT THE DAMPER AS WELL!!!!!
i hope someone with a Y2K or an '01 will try this.
Posted November 08, 2000 - 05:44 AM
In reading through the threads here, I get the impression that the '00 WR's or '01 WR's have a shorter frame, hence tighter turning radius? I know my bike is longer than my son's YZ125. . .but not by much.
'00 WR - a big BLUE thumper w/all sorts of fun modifications.
Posted November 08, 2000 - 12:14 PM
if you look up the discussion archives to the left & go for the lower one there are loads of threads (i think) on the clamps that scotts produces.
they machined the holes for the fork legs 5mm nearer the rider. this was accepted as improving the slow speed steering on the 98 & 99 models. but nobody has tried the clamps on the 00 model with it's 5mm shorter frame. the 5mm modification can only do two things. 1) puts weight on the front for grip & 2) shorten the wheelbase which was 5' long but is now 5mm shorter!!!!!! wow&%$#@!inweeeee!!!!
the problem is that the front wheel is kicked out too far in degree's & the only thing you can do besides a cut'n'shut to the steering head is the scotts STC's.
riders think "these clamps don't look so different to my street bike" but they forget that the wheelspindle is well in front of the bottom of the fork tubes.
IF the forks were off a street bike with the hole exactly under the middle of the forks; for the forks to be in the same position the yokes would have to look like something off a 1920 indian!!!
anyway i can always hope....
Posted November 08, 2000 - 03:54 PM
Posted November 08, 2000 - 06:16 PM
I went back and checked out the threads as you suggested. I agree with you 5mm is not something to get your knickers all greased about, but the Scott's STC's might be interesting. I've been thinking about putting on different triple clamps, and changin' the rake of the front wheel enough will definitely change the balance of the bike.
I'll do some research here and get back with a post.
Damper?! I don't NEED no stinkin' damper - I have insurance!!!