Good for Eastern Woods?



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  • dirt1016

Posted August 10, 2001 - 06:36 AM

#1

Hello, I am new to the sight and I am itching to try a four stroke. I race NETRA H/S on 200s and 250s but I think I would love a thumper. From what I have read the 426 is a little too much for eastern woods yet I see many of them in the races. I want a bike that is good in the rocks, roots and rough stuff but also one that will not get me tired on the first lap.
I am very open minded on what to ride. I am considering anything from an XR250 to a DRZ to a wr426. I trust the oppinion of an eastern rider more than a california mx deser t columnist. So any oppinions are welcome to help me make a decision on what to ride.
- Thanks a lot!

  • *mike68*

Posted August 10, 2001 - 07:00 AM

#2

Come up to NH and I'll let you try my 426 in the woods. I believe the 250f's are more nimble, but I think the 426 is an awsome woods bike. Others will disagree.

  • Ga426owner

Posted August 10, 2001 - 10:38 AM

#3

Mine works great in the southeastern woods/mountains/switchbacks -- You have been listening to the western guys that ride in big vast open areas with lots of rock.

  • Bill

Posted August 10, 2001 - 11:15 AM

#4

You may want to test ride a 400/426. They can be a handful but, some do very well on them. The DRZ is supposed to be more nimble but, if want to ride any MX, you'll find the DRZ a little soft on the suspension.

If you've been riding 200 and 250 2 stroke, you won't be happy with a XR250, maybe a XR400 would be ok.

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  • mcarp

Posted August 10, 2001 - 11:21 AM

#5

I wouldn't say the WR is too much. I ride Ohio trails, perhaps not quite as nasty as PA, WV, or new England, but close enough!
I don't race, just a casual trail rider. 200 lbs. 6'2".

You can dial the power up as you like. Suspension is great, power is great, but it is a little slow handling compared to your 200+ 250s. You can shorten the chain and raise the forks for more turning prowess. But it still won't turn quite as nice as a 2-smoker. You learn to pick different lines, that all.

The DRZ is very heavy, yet you don't feel it unless you crash. It's suspension is soft, and the power just doesn't compare to the WR. The e-start is cool, though. I'm not too impressed, but other folks absolutely love 'em.

I would try to ride a WR and see what you think. If you post where you are, I'm sure someone will pipe up and let you ride it.

I think the WR is easier to ride than a 250 2-stroke. More linear power and a powerband a mile wide, engine breaking is very helpful in the slop, and less off-on-off power delivery. Hills are a breeze, you need practically no run at hills to climb them, and aren't contantly fighting the rear end from slipping and swinging out.

I only get tired after about 4 hours of riding it in the woods (according the computer, about 16-21 MPH average depending on where I'm riding), and I'm not in terrific shape.

Again, you can adjust the power up or down (stock) as needed.

Ride one first if you can, but I don't think you'll be disappointed.

BTW, my Wr400 w/ YZ timing and the free mods w/ pipe will pull a '98 CR250 in a drag race everytime. He hits top speed while I'm grabbing the last gear and running away from it. The difference is the CR spins the tire while I grab and go...

  • Guest_Guest_*

Posted August 10, 2001 - 01:15 PM

#6

GA426

I'm out west (oregon) and within 100 miles of the coast, there is plenty of tight "eastern" woods. In the winter its clay, rocks, tree roots, etc... Remember, west doesn't translate into "Southern California"! :) I had a XR 250 and it rocked in the woods until I fiqured out how to ride the dub-r. Now I could smoke any XR 250/400 in the woods (superior riding skill aside. I still believe in the fact that its nearly all rider). Personally I think you can go fast on just about anything once you figure out how to ride the thing. With most modern bikes, its hard to go wrong.

[This message has been edited by Boschk (edited 08-10-2001).]

  • TW

Posted August 10, 2001 - 02:02 PM

#7

I would post your question on the WR/YZ 250 forum also, and check out the other threads.

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  • jpwr250f

Posted August 10, 2001 - 05:55 PM

#8

yz or wr 250f .... nuff said

  • jamracing

Posted August 20, 2001 - 10:58 AM

#9

I race in Florida, and although we don't have hills, we have more sugarsand/palmettos/tight trees than a person can wish for. I raced a KX250 two seasons ago, and did last season on a YZ400. This season will be on a WR426, and I don't feel at a disadvantage at all. As far as the 250f's, whatever you do, don't stall it. If you do, your race/riding day is over...Hope this helped.

  • z4me

Posted August 21, 2001 - 03:00 AM

#10

Originally posted by jamracing:
As far as the 250f's, whatever you do, don't stall it. If you do, your race/riding day is over...


Ever ride one? That is total BS.

  • *mike68*

Posted August 21, 2001 - 03:08 AM

#11

I have ridden with z4me and never saw any isues with starting after a stall. As a matter of fact, during a harescranble I was watching, A guy stalled his 250F an couldnt start it. My friend Brian, who has never been on a 250F went down and started it for him in 3 kicks.

  • WR_Jason

Posted August 21, 2001 - 04:41 AM

#12

Hi there,
SouthEast Pa WR 400 rider here. I love the WR in the tight stuff. I like it much better than my 89 YZ 250. My wrist dont get whooped out from clutch and shift. I can lug the thing around and not have to worry about keeping it spooled up to get a shot of power to the ground or loft the front over stuff. I rode the WR250 and its cool and all and would be fine for trail riding if it were not for the big coal hill climbs. The little WR just dose not have the power to be forgiving on a loose hill. And stalling on a hill is the enemy. The one I rode only had the baffel out. No throttle stop cut, no gray wire, so I am sure there is more power to be had. With the less power it had it really did not feel all that light. I did not ride it long and did not drop it or anything. With the 400 I have learned to keep my feet on the pegs of the WR and use its supreme power and traction to make it nimble and not try to throw it around with my boot on the ground. I will say that I am 6'1 and about 200lbs and in very good shape and love to work the bike hard. I also love exploring new trails and even cutting off trials in the woods and have no problme lifting the bike or spinning it 180 degrees on the heel of my boot in turn arounds. I dont think the big WR favors shorter riders or guys that get tuckered out taking it off the truck :) . But I think if you have the levarage to be confident on the bike you can use its power to make knarly stuff look easy.

  • *mike68*

Posted August 21, 2001 - 05:23 AM

#13

wr jason,
Us short people have an easier time getting comfortable in the cockpit and have an easier time standing while riding. The big thing is touching the ground. For this I use the bronco riding stiyle when in trouble in technical rocky sections. It involves using both legs as out riggers and staying on the gas and just hanging on. This bike gets me through almost everything as long as I stay on the gas. Love it in the tight stuff too!

  • WR_Jason

Posted August 21, 2001 - 06:55 AM

#14

I here that Mike. The thing I have to change the most with this bike is keeping my feet up and using the power. I still like to kick off of fallen trees to help get the back tire up on it so it dose not hit flat and spin=slip and in the soft loom and sand like coal dust I have the hardest time keeping my feet up. But I feel in very slow, tight tech stuff not being able to touch the ground or barley being able to touch the ground is where the weight and tallness of the bike is most critical, cause once it starts to tip, if your not holding it up, good luck catchin it. I can see that for a shorter rider keeping the speed up so you dont have to catch it is the best bet. As I am sure your riding proves, shorter riders can ride well with a taller heavier bike, but have to most modify there style and rely on the bikes power wich means being able to cary speed. In the real tight stuff like when exploring off of trails I often have to stop and see what is going to be the best line for the next advancement. Granted I see shorter kids and guys leaning on trees but thats a problem in the pine groves :D Woosh! :)
I just think for very tight slow knarly riding the lightest bike with lower seat hight and easy starting, ie, push button may be the way to go. I for one feel its a compramise to accomadate a less strong, slower, shorter rider. If I was a bit shorter, like 5, 10 I may have had to go with the WR 250, and If I had leg or knee problmes I would have to go DRZ.
But,,, I am 6-1 with legs of steel :D so its big WR for me.

  • *mike68*

Posted August 21, 2001 - 07:03 AM

#15

Yeah, I kind of got my own style since I can't touch the ground. I find it best to ride straight over everything. Weaving around the big rocks just creates problems for me. Momentum is my best friend. I did try to lower the seat height but it changed the ergo's and I didnt like it. Being short is still a disadvantage on this machine for sure, but I just love my POS and have a blast on it.


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