Anyone here drive a street legal WR450 in CA?


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  • GasAHolic

Posted January 18, 2005 - 06:57 PM

#1

If you do, I'd like to hear how you came about it, any difficulties in licensing you had to go through and if you're glad you did so, or not..... I'm looking to somehow do the same, find one, buy out of state, etc. Please share.

Edit: I'm picking up a new 05 WR tomorrow :cry: and I may end up in AZ / NV to get the plate, but was wondering if anyone has gone this route (from Joe Racer's web site) as posted below?

  • jbarnes

Posted January 18, 2005 - 08:17 PM

#2

Yes, the only problem is I bought it in AZ and got an AZ plate for it, no problem yet but I'm sure I'll run into some officer that will challenge me having a CA license and a AZ plate. Sold my 98 WR when I got the 05, it had a CA plate the whole time I had it. In 98 you could not buy the WR in CA so I brought one in and ran the paperwork through the DMV and they sent me a plate :cry: , never had a problem. Everything I have been told is you can not plate them here anymore, not sure about the 03/04 but I think there were deadlines that passed last year for finishing up the paperwork/paying fees for those. When I sold the 98 there was alot of interest in it only because of the plate.

  • GasAHolic

Posted January 19, 2005 - 11:27 AM

#3

jbarnes, is your O5 licensed? If not, you planning on doing it somehow?

Anyone else ?

  • jbarnes

Posted January 19, 2005 - 05:34 PM

#4

Yes, 05 in CA with AZ plate. Got a good deal out in Havasu (Walts) sent the plate to me at my Calif. address no questions asked. Did it this way because from all I've heard you can not get a plate here any longer. Hope to hear different.

  • tgodwin

Posted January 20, 2005 - 10:10 AM

#5

My understanding is, unless the bike comes off the show room floor street legal with a plate you can not make it street legal. If you buy a 2002 or older bike AND the previous owner had it licensed with plates before the Dec 2003 deadline you can continue with the street legal riding. If you buy a 2002 or older bike and it conforms with all the requirements for street legal bike but you did not get it licensed prior to the Dec 2003 deadline you are out of luck as well.

The Arizona or Nevada plate may be the only way to go in California anymore. I don't know about all of the off-road requirements, but you may be required to pay for an out-of-state off road license to get into some of the OHV parks, but I'm not sure how all of that will work. The AZ or NV plates should work fine for the intermittent road trip linking trails or getting to your local ride. Most of the cops are cool as long as you ride cool.

Hope what I know helps.
Cheers. -Tim

  • mjslim

Posted January 20, 2005 - 09:20 PM

#6

what tgowin said. I have an 03 WR450 with AZ plates, bought the bike new in CA but made sure the dealer gave me the MSO. Took a day off work, drove to AZ with the bike and paperwork (after installing dual sport kit) and came home with plates and registration same day. You must first buy insurance coverage from a AZ insurance agent and take the proof of insurance with you to the MVD. Total registration and licensing fees cost me less than $150 2 years ago. My way of saying :cry: to tree-hugging politicians in people's republic of CA :cry:

  • GasAHolic

Posted January 21, 2005 - 08:46 AM

#7

I'm picking up a new 05 WR tomorrow and I may end up in AZ / NV to get the plate, but was wondering if anyone has gone this route (from Joe Racer's web site)?

[COLOR=Navy]We can street legal your Bike using the SPCNS clause in the vehicle code. The following is section 580 of the California Vehicle Code.

Specially Constructed Vehicle section 580
A "specially constructed vehicle" is a vehicle which is built for private use, not for resale, and is not constructed by a licensed manufacturer or remanufacture. A specially constructed vehicle may be built from (1) a kit; (2) new or used, or a combination of new and used, parts; or (3) a vehicle reported for dismantling, as required by Section 5500 or 11520, which, when reconstructed, does not resemble the original make of the vehicle dismantled. A specially constructed vehicle is not a vehicle which has been repaired or restored to its original design by replacing parts.

Amended Ch. 1286, Stats. 1983. Effective January 1, 1984.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/spcnsreg.htm

This means if you as a individual take an off–road motorcycle and change the configuration to on–road cycle (Example: hang on all of the required lights, horn, mirror, speedo-od.) You have changed the vehicle from an off–road to an on–road motorcycle.

The main difference between this and a dual registration is:

You need to get the vehicle certified by CHP, DMV , or a vehicle certification shop. Before it was basically self certification.
You actually need to have the bike with components in working condition prior to applying for a title.
You will need to fill out DMV paper work stating type of construction; see forms section. After this complete the bike will be re-titled as a SPCNS, not a Honda or a KTM, etc.
[/COLOR]

  • tgodwin

Posted January 21, 2005 - 10:12 AM

#8

That sounds like a path around it. I'd be VERY sure before spending your hard earned $$$ that the DMV is going to go for it. I thought they wouldn't even inspect bikes with added lighting anymore, but on that note this is the USA. If I want to build myself a bike from the ground up and drive it to work so I can pay my taxes like the rest, I damn well better be able to do what I want (within the law of course :cry: ). If this works you have to make a post of the process and how it want for you.

  • jbarnes

Posted January 21, 2005 - 06:31 PM

#9

I was told about the special const. also but the CHP can insist that you have DOT approved tires and steel tank along with a speedo and odometer (non resetable) who wants to do that, if you find a way around one requirement they can apply another. I just gave up on trying here and bought and licensed in AZ, no problems (yet), even State Farm didn't question the out of state reg. when I insured it here. Let us know how you decide to do it.

  • Indy_WR450

Posted January 21, 2005 - 08:55 PM

#10

We need to get those laws changed about steel tanks! :cry:
They have had plastic tanks on cars for years now!
If they dont I just may go in the business of making DOT steel lined plastic gas tanks of Kaliforniastan! :cry:

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  • Kirk_Ingram

Posted January 22, 2005 - 01:09 PM

#11

I'm picking up a new 05 WR tomorrow and I may end up in AZ / NV to get the plate, but was wondering if anyone has gone this route (from Joe Racer's web site)?

[COLOR=Navy]We can street legal your Bike using the SPCNS clause in the vehicle code. The following is section 580 of the California Vehicle Code.

Specially Constructed Vehicle section 580
A "specially constructed vehicle" is a vehicle which is built for private use, not for resale, and is not constructed by a licensed manufacturer or remanufacture. A specially constructed vehicle may be built from (1) a kit; (2) new or used, or a combination of new and used, parts; or (3) a vehicle reported for dismantling, as required by Section 5500 or 11520, which, when reconstructed, does not resemble the original make of the vehicle dismantled. A specially constructed vehicle is not a vehicle which has been repaired or restored to its original design by replacing parts.

Amended Ch. 1286, Stats. 1983. Effective January 1, 1984.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/spcnsreg.htm

This means if you as a individual take an off–road motorcycle and change the configuration to on–road cycle (Example: hang on all of the required lights, horn, mirror, speedo-od.) You have changed the vehicle from an off–road to an on–road motorcycle.

The main difference between this and a dual registration is:

You need to get the vehicle certified by CHP, DMV , or a vehicle certification shop. Before it was basically self certification.
You actually need to have the bike with components in working condition prior to applying for a title.
You will need to fill out DMV paper work stating type of construction; see forms section. After this complete the bike will be re-titled as a SPCNS, not a Honda or a KTM, etc.
[/COLOR]


The above posts are correct about trying to register an off-road MC converted to street legal in CA. If it's 2003 or newer; ain't going to happen in CA. And it doesn't matter who manufactures the MC; XR, WR, etc. I bought new a '01WR426 and converted it within two weeks after purchase. Registered it in Vermont (talk about easy!!!). However Vermont discontinued this policy 1 year before CA did.
I'd sure like to hear if the SPCNS route will work in CA! (I guess you would have to use circumstance (2)?)

BTW (and off topic), CA residents dodged a bullet when recent legislation attempted to require 1998 and newer MC to pass the two-stage smog check in order to renew registration. AND, included in the same bill, diesel car/trucks from 1996 and newer would be required to pass the same two-stage smog check as every other vehicle is. Insane! &%$#@! is CaARB thinking? K

  • Indy_WR450

Posted January 22, 2005 - 01:18 PM

#12

Does anyone know how these specific rules got changed in Kaliforniastan? :cry: Do envionrmentalist lobbiests want us off the roads as well? :cry: What has our AMA memberships been doing for us in this regard to keep our dual sport conversion capability? :cry: I just hate when Kaliforniastan makes these changes in the laws that have no benefit to anyone but to annoy motorcyclists! :cry:

  • GasAHolic

Posted January 22, 2005 - 01:57 PM

#13

What has our AMA memberships been doing for us in this regard to keep our dual sport conversion capability?


Exactly what I've been thinking. Where's the industry that's taking our money, and the support organizations. Although I'm old (45 :cry: )I'm relatively new to the sport and am pissed off that I can't get my new emissions compliant, GREEN STICKER 4S WR450 street registered here in CA without going either out of state or SPCNS modifications process. Its' absolutely NUTS!!!!!!!!!!! F'N whacko's!

  • RR@ARS

Posted January 22, 2005 - 02:11 PM

#14

I guess that us dualsport riders (or those of us that are forced to ride a plated bike in CA to connect trails) are still a minority. The numbers are still small compared to MX or Chopper/Harley riders. Perhaps this is why we get ignored/forgotten by the AMA, DMV and the MC manufacturers. :cry: :cry:

Everyone I ride with and talk to wants the same thing; a WR or CRF or YZF, etc. etc. that is from the showroom street legal. I don't even care if I have to replace some crap like a pipe, fuel tank, jets etc in order to uncork it from it's showroom state.

If the SPCNS route works and is relatively easy to do, then fine, I'll do it! I just haven't heard of this route being a slam dunk! Has anyone gone this route? anyone? Bueller? :cry:

  • Kirk_Ingram

Posted January 22, 2005 - 03:16 PM

#15

[quote name='RR@ARS']

If the SPCNS route works and is relatively easy to do, then fine, I'll do it! I just haven't heard of this route being a slam dunk! Has anyone gone this route? anyone? Bueller? [QUOTE]

That was pretty much my ??. Sorry about my little rant. I'm just really ticked off that the new generation four strokes are being labeled and shutdown as "non-emissions" compliant in Ca. They may pollute a little more than your typical/AVERAGE four stroke engine, but come on! It's all CaARB; or CARB if you prefer. Why non focus their energy on abolishing the two-stroke leaf blowers, they dump way more pollutants than a tuned 4 stroke dirtbike let alone an off the showroom floor 4 stroke dirtbike?
It's my personal feeling that the folks at CaARB are bonafide'd idiots. [rantmode=OFF, really this time :cry: !] K

  • Indy_WR450

Posted January 22, 2005 - 03:43 PM

#16

[quote name='RR@ARS']I guess that us dualsport riders (or those of us that are forced to ride a plated bike in CA to connect trails) are still a minority. The numbers are still small compared to MX or Chopper/Harley riders. Perhaps this is why we get ignored/forgotten by the AMA, DMV and the MC manufacturers. :cry: :cry:
QUOTE]


The point is we did not get ignored! :cry: The laws were specifically lobbied to change by some group in Kaliforniastan! :cry: If we were truely being ignored the laws would not have even been brought up for consideration! :cry:

  • ETP

Posted January 22, 2005 - 06:20 PM

#17

I finally got a Kalifornia plate for my 03 WR450. Worked lots of loopholes to do it. Canada, Vermont, CHP, DMV, AAA, on and on it goes. Didn't have to lie on any of the paperwork either. Took over a year. They closed some of the loopholes behind me.
The best thing to do is contact all the dual sport companies and find out what the current loopholes are. I believe there are still ways to do it, but you have to be educated before trying. Use the TT search engine on the subject.
Sure was a big hassle getting this plate. I hope in a few years when this awesome WR450 gets tired, that there will be new performance DS bikes which comply with the obsurd rules here in CA. If not, I'll work the loopholes again. :cry: :cry:

  • jasilva

Posted January 22, 2005 - 08:15 PM

#18

What I want to know is what are they smoking in Sacramento. How much sense does it make to force guys to load there small displacement relatively clean running bikes in a truck that puts out at least 8 times as much polution in order to get them to a place to ride? :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Guess we're just not smart enough to understand the deep thinking that goes on in government. :cry:

Joe

  • WheelsUp

Posted January 22, 2005 - 08:42 PM

#19

The same idiots (Gov. Jerry Brown, now mayor of Oakland and wants to be the atty gen) that decided that it would save water if toilets only flushed 1.6 gallons.

How does that save water when it takes 3.2 gallons to flush the same loaf that a 2.5 gallon can used to flush? :cry:

  • mjslim

Posted January 22, 2005 - 11:28 PM

#20

We need to lobby Arnold to put more pressure on the girly-men eco-socialists who are always impeding economic progress in our state. These parasites live off our tax dollars and enact legislation that restricts our individual freedoms :cry: We end up sending our reg fees to other state's coffers so we can ride quasi-legal on our own roads.......what a bunch of #*%@!. Makes me want to go shoot some spotted owls...................




 
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