2005 WR450 price....crap


124 replies to this topic
  • thumper_dad

Posted February 15, 2005 - 12:10 PM

#41

I am lucky where my local dealer is not a friggin rip off and just sells you the bike at the best price he can, without a doubt you can always bargin him down a couple hundred dollars but no more because his bikes are allready 10% lower than any other dealer around.
After purchasing 4 bikes from Berkeley Yamaha and never staying in the store longer than 20 minutes from start to finish on any transaction, I would recommend them to any of you thinking of buying a new bike.

I paid 6600

  • MLYARGER

Posted February 15, 2005 - 12:21 PM

#42

As an employee of a local dealer and a rider and member of this forum, I would like to make a few comments.

1. Why is it no one wants to pay retail for bikes but you will pay retail for everything else on the planet. Try negotiate the price you pay at the grocery or at McDonalds and see what happens. After reading this post some of the prices are insanely over retail some of them are below true cost. I would like to see our reimbusement check for freight and set up from Yamaha....That is crap dealers don't recieve that. They do get holdback that is to support flooring charges and advertising. 99.9% percent of dealers do not own the bikes on their floor(GE or some other financer does). These charges can range from a few dollars to hundreds of dollars per bike depending on cost and what the dealers credit rating is.

2. It is possible to make money on the financing. However if you are using a factory program (Yamaha, Honda, etc.), they are not letting the dealer make money and in many cases they charge us to let you use the reduced financing rate.

3. Everyone out there must have a job. So I will ask you how long would your employer keep you employed if they could not make money on your product or service? It cracks me up some of the offers that people want to give to buy a bike. Unfortunately the cost of the bike is not the only factor that needs to be considered. There is the salesman and probally the sales manager who would like to make something. The mechanic that set the bike up-he doen't work for free either. Then there is flooring charges, advertising, hey electricity so you can see the bike on the floor, insurance so when some drunk comes in and falls on top of a bike and hurts himself he can get paid. Not to mention workers comp insurance charges that are insane for bike dealers and the guy that comes in to clean around the commodes because all of us dirt bike guys can't hit the toilet thats why we ride in the woods.

I am going to stop at this point because actually I could go on and on on this topic. I will end with this. We are a well run dealership that has been around for 20+ years. In that time there have been over 30 dealers within 50 miles of us come and go or switch hands. The fact is that the guy who owns a dealership would be better off most of the time to just stick his money in the a mutual fund and make more than they do after all expenses are considered it takes to run a shop---Not to mention that fact that the manufacturers send you and insane amount of crap and charge you for it. Just consider if when shopping what is fair to you and the dealership, after all, if he is out of business and is in your area it is likely he/she or their employees would be unable to buy your product or service or the products and services of those that buy from you. Eventually it will hit home in some way.

Sorry for the rant.

Michael

  • cdonowho

Posted February 15, 2005 - 12:33 PM

#43

Lake Hill Motor & Marine - Corinth, MS. Just picked mine up yesterday... 5,699.99 OTD (I'm out of state, so no sales tax). Ask for Larry.

Clayton

  • DesertWR

Posted February 15, 2005 - 12:33 PM

#44

Whats all the rumbling about with the prices of bikes? I bought mine from the local dealer in Visalia, CA. Sticker was 6200.00 plus tax and freight. After my pipe etc.. etc.. I payed 7500.00. Could I have gotten cheaper somewhere else? Sure, but I would rather put my energy into riding and not squabbling. Every dealer is there to support their community and some do it better than others. I can assure you that no matter who it is they have massive overhead and expenses. Everybody seems like they want the bike for what the dealer paid for it or not have to pay any interest when financing. Financing is there to allow a greater percentage of the market to enjoy this wonderful sport. Without it, they would never be able to cough up enough cash to buy a bike. Sure, the mechanics are usually poor but everyone has options. I'll take the free market system we have in the US over any other financial market system in the world. I don't like what CA has done with all their regs no more than the other guy but until we get rid of L.A. and Frisco, we will be stuck with the crazy left wing libs that they vote in every election cycle. I think Dan said it is a product of supply and demand-Our dealer cannot keep a WR450 on the floor for longer than 2 days. It is capitalism at its best and it keeps us in the US rolling right along. It is basically what the market will bear. The free market system is just that-If you don't like the price, you're free to go elsewhere. I didn't get the greatest deal on my bike but I don't call them communists-He is a business owner trying to run a successful dealership and if you have ever owned a business, you understand the costs involved. Now, all the accessories I buy from him, he gives me 35-40% off-He wins, I win. :) What a great system we have-Lighten up guys

  • AHRMA17L

Posted February 15, 2005 - 12:50 PM

#45

What a great system we have-Lighten up guys


That is precisely the point... we have a great system and if someone can do it better, faster, or cheaper, more power to them, and mor epower to the consumer.

I think there was a politician who once said that the voter votes with their pocketbook.

  • thumper_dad

Posted February 15, 2005 - 12:57 PM

#46

As an employee of a local dealer and a rider and member of this forum, I would like to make a few comments.

Umm.. Michael, this is only your first post, as for dealers over charging the public are you deniying that they do?

Not to mention workers comp insurance charges that are insane for bike dealers and the guy that comes in to clean around the commodes because all of us dirt bike guys can't hit the toilet thats why we ride in the woods.

I have to pay workmans comp insurance and trust me its about 18 times the amount they charge a retail/ bike shop and I don't over charge my clients.

As for needing to pay the mechanic for setting up the bike: why is there no standard setup fee for new bikes no matter where you buy it from?, it should always be the same amount. Ill tell you why, its because every dealer takes that area (setup fee's) and uses it to charge the public the extra money the discounted them on the original sale.
if you pay a mechanic 30 hr + benefits and you charge John Q public a $500 setup fee that mechanic would have work almost 12 hours to balance out the charges.

The dealer makes money by charging $95 per hour for shop labor and paying out around $30 of it. the mechanics deserve better

I could go on and on, don't get me started, most dealers are very well off and they didn't get that way by giving everyone in town a deal on everything.

Its there right to make what ever amount of profit they want, its our right not to agree with the prices.
When it comes to buying a new bike I know where to go, when it comes to buying parts Ill stick with http://rockymountainmc.com and do my own mechanical work.

Rich

  • MLYARGER

Posted February 15, 2005 - 01:11 PM

#47

Rich,

I didn't say that none of the dealers are overcharging. I believe some are some are not. I just think it is fair for the dealers to want to make a profit.

Where I work we do not charge $95 an hour for labor, that is not reasonable in the part of the country where I am at. I will be honest I am not a great mechanic but I do what I can myself, because it saves money.

My only point was that many dealers are just trying to make an honest living and providing a service and products that many of us including myself want. I know that there are abusers(there are in any industry). I can only speak for the dealer I work for and our owners are by no means rich.

Michael

  • DesertWR

Posted February 15, 2005 - 01:14 PM

#48

Its there right to make what ever amount of profit they want, its our right not to agree with the prices.

Rich[/QUOTE]

That is my point. It also comes down to the value proposition offered by your dealer. No two companies will sell the same product for the same price (usually) and as a consumer, what are you willing to pay for quality & servi ce? The integrated market system we have allows for numerous channels to buy from i.e Internet, out-of-state, out-of-town, brokers, dealers etc..... Choose the one that is right for you and have a blast riding :) :)

  • Oouthere

Posted February 15, 2005 - 02:16 PM

#49

I don't know if this is appropriate but if anyone is interested I'll let my '04 WR450F with about 1,100 miles go for $4,500.

We bought my daughter a YZ250F with a Rekluse and I prefer riding her bike now.

Rich

  • DesertWR

Posted February 15, 2005 - 02:37 PM

#50

We bought my daughter a YZ250F with a Rekluse and I prefer riding her bike now.

Rich[/QUOTE]

Wow,

We need to send you to the shrink! :) :)

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  • The_Blue_One

Posted February 15, 2005 - 02:56 PM

#51

I picked mine up for $6750OTD. I'm in the san francisco bay area. I called around and the price went anywhere from $7100-7800 :)

  • NewBlue

Posted February 15, 2005 - 03:03 PM

#52

We all need to make a living to feed our families, pay our mortgages, and buy our toys. I own my business, and it sure isn't easy. I do; however, have no qualms with competitors that try to compete with me on price. I think the consumer has every right to choose who and what he thinks is fair to him. I am more expensive than most of my competition. I have stricter guidelines as to when and how we get paid for our services. I do seem to outlast my competition and win over their clientele. I do this by offering a superior product that is backed 100%. If a dealership is losing business on price alone, then in my opinion, they are doing something wrong. The consumers that choose on price alone get exactly what they wanted-- a low priced product. I choose to pay more for certain things that have better support, and I choose to pay the lowest price for commodity items. Although many people believe that a motorcycle is a commodity item (and in some regards it is) , I am willing to pay more for a dealership that gives me *great* service. For example, I went by today to pick up a few things and my dealership's computers were down. They didn't jack me around at all, they simply said: "Pay us the next time you come by." They also treat me very kindly when I am there. They know my name and what I ride. They have a relationship with me. I am willing to pay more for that. If all that a person wants is a cheap purchase price, then by all means, they should buy on that premise alone. When they run into trouble, they may wish that they had a relationship with a dealer. All in all, vote with your wallet. As for those of you that live in Cali, &%$#@! is up with all the socialistic governmental controls. Have the majority of citizens forgotten that they own the land, and the air there, not the Gov't. I don't know if you all there are aware that we commonly refer to the west coast as the left coast. I cringe whenever I hear barbara boxer speak. That b*tch has to be a Mousalini descendant. I love you folks on the left coast, and I can only imagine what it would be like to have an overly oppressive Gov't structure. Best Regards

  • AHRMA17L

Posted February 15, 2005 - 03:15 PM

#53

I am willing to pay more for a dealership that gives me *great* service. For example, I went by today to pick up a few things and my dealership's computers were down. They didn't jack me around at all, they simply said: "Pay us the next time you come by."


I can't even fathom the dealers here doing that. Most of the Big 4 dealers here look like a Disco or Night Club with the hip hop music, the employees with headphone communications gear, and all the "hanger on bling bling." As one of their mottos states, "We do not sell motorcycles and parts, we sell lifestyle, so grab life by the throttle!"

  • NewBlue

Posted February 15, 2005 - 03:33 PM

#54

Well I already have a lifestyle that is filled with many great things, most of which aren't material. If they wanted to sell motorcycles like weight loss pills, then so be it. I do laugh at my guys down at the local dealership that offer me 10% off since I have bought three bikes there. It's laughable, but in their eyes, they are "taking care of me". I will buy two more bikes by the end of the year, and they will most likely be from that same dealership. Money comes and goes, but relationships are usually more concrete ( with the exception of my ex wife). Best Wishes

  • SANG

Posted February 24, 2005 - 12:23 AM

#55

Yo Morepower Got Mine From Sierra Their Web Sight Dont Lie Joe & Ben Are The Bomb! And Quincy Is A Cool Road Trip Ps Michales In Reno Is A Rip Off!!!!

  • SANG

Posted February 24, 2005 - 12:29 AM

#56

6399 Otd Quincy Ca Sierra Yamaha See Joe

  • Tomppa68

Posted February 24, 2005 - 12:40 AM

#57

What you guys are complaining about ! Cheapest price in Europe is 8350 EUROS !! (Germany). Not even mentioning street legal price in Finland :)

Here in Dubai, I still have to pay 7400 US$ :)

  • beezer

Posted February 24, 2005 - 06:06 AM

#58

6,466.00 OTD from Sussex Yamaha.

  • farkawi

Posted February 24, 2005 - 07:34 AM

#59

Can you say Road Trip? I paid $6103.00 for my '05 in the box. No freight, no setup, no tax....that is until I titled it. Nevada is closer to you than Idaho, Wyoming or Nebraska where the deals are to be found. :)

  • clark4131

Posted February 24, 2005 - 08:12 AM

#60

$6145 from Altus Motorsports in Altus, OK. Add another $300 for shipping and it comes right to your door...SC




 
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