2005 WR450 price....crap
Posted February 15, 2005 - 12:10 PM
After purchasing 4 bikes from Berkeley Yamaha and never staying in the store longer than 20 minutes from start to finish on any transaction, I would recommend them to any of you thinking of buying a new bike.
I paid 6600
Posted February 15, 2005 - 12:21 PM
1. Why is it no one wants to pay retail for bikes but you will pay retail for everything else on the planet. Try negotiate the price you pay at the grocery or at McDonalds and see what happens. After reading this post some of the prices are insanely over retail some of them are below true cost. I would like to see our reimbusement check for freight and set up from Yamaha....That is crap dealers don't recieve that. They do get holdback that is to support flooring charges and advertising. 99.9% percent of dealers do not own the bikes on their floor(GE or some other financer does). These charges can range from a few dollars to hundreds of dollars per bike depending on cost and what the dealers credit rating is.
2. It is possible to make money on the financing. However if you are using a factory program (Yamaha, Honda, etc.), they are not letting the dealer make money and in many cases they charge us to let you use the reduced financing rate.
3. Everyone out there must have a job. So I will ask you how long would your employer keep you employed if they could not make money on your product or service? It cracks me up some of the offers that people want to give to buy a bike. Unfortunately the cost of the bike is not the only factor that needs to be considered. There is the salesman and probally the sales manager who would like to make something. The mechanic that set the bike up-he doen't work for free either. Then there is flooring charges, advertising, hey electricity so you can see the bike on the floor, insurance so when some drunk comes in and falls on top of a bike and hurts himself he can get paid. Not to mention workers comp insurance charges that are insane for bike dealers and the guy that comes in to clean around the commodes because all of us dirt bike guys can't hit the toilet thats why we ride in the woods.
I am going to stop at this point because actually I could go on and on on this topic. I will end with this. We are a well run dealership that has been around for 20+ years. In that time there have been over 30 dealers within 50 miles of us come and go or switch hands. The fact is that the guy who owns a dealership would be better off most of the time to just stick his money in the a mutual fund and make more than they do after all expenses are considered it takes to run a shop---Not to mention that fact that the manufacturers send you and insane amount of crap and charge you for it. Just consider if when shopping what is fair to you and the dealership, after all, if he is out of business and is in your area it is likely he/she or their employees would be unable to buy your product or service or the products and services of those that buy from you. Eventually it will hit home in some way.
Sorry for the rant.
Posted February 15, 2005 - 12:33 PM
Posted February 15, 2005 - 12:33 PM
Posted February 15, 2005 - 12:50 PM
What a great system we have-Lighten up guys
That is precisely the point... we have a great system and if someone can do it better, faster, or cheaper, more power to them, and mor epower to the consumer.
I think there was a politician who once said that the voter votes with their pocketbook.
Posted February 15, 2005 - 12:57 PM
Umm.. Michael, this is only your first post, as for dealers over charging the public are you deniying that they do?
As an employee of a local dealer and a rider and member of this forum, I would like to make a few comments.
I have to pay workmans comp insurance and trust me its about 18 times the amount they charge a retail/ bike shop and I don't over charge my clients.
Not to mention workers comp insurance charges that are insane for bike dealers and the guy that comes in to clean around the commodes because all of us dirt bike guys can't hit the toilet thats why we ride in the woods.
As for needing to pay the mechanic for setting up the bike: why is there no standard setup fee for new bikes no matter where you buy it from?, it should always be the same amount. Ill tell you why, its because every dealer takes that area (setup fee's) and uses it to charge the public the extra money the discounted them on the original sale.
if you pay a mechanic 30 hr + benefits and you charge John Q public a $500 setup fee that mechanic would have work almost 12 hours to balance out the charges.
The dealer makes money by charging $95 per hour for shop labor and paying out around $30 of it. the mechanics deserve better
I could go on and on, don't get me started, most dealers are very well off and they didn't get that way by giving everyone in town a deal on everything.
Its there right to make what ever amount of profit they want, its our right not to agree with the prices.
When it comes to buying a new bike I know where to go, when it comes to buying parts Ill stick with http://rockymountainmc.com and do my own mechanical work.
Posted February 15, 2005 - 01:11 PM
I didn't say that none of the dealers are overcharging. I believe some are some are not. I just think it is fair for the dealers to want to make a profit.
Where I work we do not charge $95 an hour for labor, that is not reasonable in the part of the country where I am at. I will be honest I am not a great mechanic but I do what I can myself, because it saves money.
My only point was that many dealers are just trying to make an honest living and providing a service and products that many of us including myself want. I know that there are abusers(there are in any industry). I can only speak for the dealer I work for and our owners are by no means rich.
Posted February 15, 2005 - 01:14 PM
That is my point. It also comes down to the value proposition offered by your dealer. No two companies will sell the same product for the same price (usually) and as a consumer, what are you willing to pay for quality & servi ce? The integrated market system we have allows for numerous channels to buy from i.e Internet, out-of-state, out-of-town, brokers, dealers etc..... Choose the one that is right for you and have a blast riding
Posted February 15, 2005 - 02:56 PM
Posted February 15, 2005 - 03:03 PM
Posted February 15, 2005 - 03:15 PM
I am willing to pay more for a dealership that gives me *great* service. For example, I went by today to pick up a few things and my dealership's computers were down. They didn't jack me around at all, they simply said: "Pay us the next time you come by."
I can't even fathom the dealers here doing that. Most of the Big 4 dealers here look like a Disco or Night Club with the hip hop music, the employees with headphone communications gear, and all the "hanger on bling bling." As one of their mottos states, "We do not sell motorcycles and parts, we sell lifestyle, so grab life by the throttle!"
Posted February 15, 2005 - 03:33 PM
Posted February 24, 2005 - 12:40 AM
Here in Dubai, I still have to pay 7400 US$
Posted February 24, 2005 - 07:34 AM
Posted February 24, 2005 - 08:12 AM