Aluminum Wr's?


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  • GMAN69

Posted December 29, 2004 - 04:09 PM

#1

When do we expect to see the new frame on the wr 450?
Sooner than later i hope. Im ready to buy but I want to wait for it.

  • Indy_WR450

Posted December 29, 2004 - 04:16 PM

#2

2007 model will be aluminum frame :cry:

  • GMAN69

Posted December 29, 2004 - 04:35 PM

#3

Will the yz come out first in 06?

  • ddialogue

Posted December 29, 2004 - 04:55 PM

#4

2007 model will be aluminum frame :cry:


My local dealer says that Yamaha has all but officially confirmed to them that their 2006 thumpers (both YZF and WR) will have aluminum frames. I guess we really won't know for sure until June 15, 2005? :cry:

2007 is the year I'll be replacing my '03 with (unless I just can't live without an '06!) :cry: :cry: :cry:

  • Indy_WR450

Posted December 29, 2004 - 05:19 PM

#5

Youre fast enough with a steel frame David! :cry: You dont need another advantage over the other riders! :cry:

  • WRider995

Posted December 29, 2004 - 11:45 PM

#6

That frame will be nice, but I'm concerned that engine longevity will not be what it was when the oil reservoir was in the steel frame. It really helps to cool the oil as we all know. I wonder if Yamaha will be able to use the alum frame in the same way? I doubt it. Only time will tell.

  • blue_beast_wins

Posted December 29, 2004 - 11:55 PM

#7

That frame will be nice, but I'm concerned that engine longevity will not be what it was when the oil reservoir was in the steel frame. It really helps to cool the oil as we all know. I wonder if Yamaha will be able to use the alum frame in the same way? I doubt it. Only time will tell.


Good point, would be good to see an oil cooler somewhere on the new frame to keep the oil capacity up.

  • ncmountainman

Posted December 30, 2004 - 07:49 AM

#8

i was just reading the new suzuki 450 will keep its oil in the trannie,good for the trannie bad for cooling! where is the honda oil ? in the trannie also? and if thats true is it gonna be a seperate case like a 2 smoke? sounds like a need for a oil cooler to me. and whats wrong with incorporating it into the aluminum frame? i thought aluninum had a even better heat transfer than steel? :cry:

  • Jackazz

Posted December 30, 2004 - 07:56 AM

#9

Heck, why not use the front section of the swing arm, ala Buell? Keeps the weight (& c.g.) low, & should get plenty of cooling. Only negative side effects I can see would be the possibility of the connection line fatiguing & failing & that they would need to change the damping characteristics of the rear shock, but I'd think that either of those issues could be easily & economically solved.

  • WRider995

Posted December 30, 2004 - 09:07 AM

#10

I think the swingarm idea is innovative, but I think there is an advantage having it high up in the frame due to pumping/gravity reasons. Heat does transfer better in alum than steel but that's not what you want. You know how cold steel is when you touch it? That's a good thing when it comes to an oil reservoir. It's similar to how a car with an aluminum block engine will warm up much faster than a steel one (but the steel block will retain the heat for much longer). That aside, i think if yamaha could make an oil reservoir in the alum frame it would be just as good as the steel. I don't like the oil cooler idea. On the plus side, if they made it with separate engine oil/tranny oil you could run synthetic in the engine and not worry about the clutch slipping. That system doesn't seem to add alot of piston life to the CRF240 though, but what do i know?

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  • mousemeat

Posted December 30, 2004 - 10:01 AM

#11

I'm pretty sure the BRP (xr650r) has its oil stored in its ally frame. Temperature dissipation will be better with the ally frame. The oil will will cool down quicker when you shut the bike off, but this is no different than the case of having an external oil cooler.

I hope for an ally frame, but see no benefit in just doing what they did for the 2-strokes. A new frame material requires a new design. Look at mountain bike frames. Ally ones have totally different aspect ratios to steel frames. I would rather yamaha waited til 2010 and gave us a proper ally frame (just copy the crf one) than rushing out an ally frame based on the frame we have now, with no benefits other than shinyness and corrosion resistance.

  • mousemeat

Posted December 30, 2004 - 10:08 AM

#12

i was just reading the new suzuki 450 will keep its oil in the trannie,good for the trannie bad for cooling! where is the honda oil ? in the trannie also? and if thats true is it gonna be a seperate case like a 2 smoke? sounds like a need for a oil cooler to me. and whats wrong with incorporating it into the aluminum frame? i thought aluninum had a even better heat transfer than steel? :cry:


Yeah the crf has half its oil in the tranny/clutch (similar to a two stroke) and the other half for the engine. Only 700cc-ish for the piston and valvetrain. No thanks!

  • lewichris

Posted December 30, 2004 - 10:35 AM

#13

I am very surprised it has taken this long really.

But hey, they spent a lot of time and development on the motors, i guess we can give them a break.

Chris

  • AJSB

Posted April 16, 2005 - 04:04 AM

#14

I disagree with the point of view about the 2S alu frame is wrong...actually, IMHO, Yam did what i wanted: an alu frame that mimics a steel frame design.

ONLY with this design will have real weight savings...

Notice that a CR250 is not that much lighter than any other 2S with steel frame...same doesnt happen with the alu 2S Yams.

  • waterdog3

Posted April 16, 2005 - 06:33 AM

#15

We All Know That The Aluminum Frame "is" Coming.....what About The Six-speed Trans??????

  • AJSB

Posted April 16, 2005 - 06:45 AM

#16

Saddly to all you Jap bike fans, its was decided long ago that only Euro bikes have 6 gears ...and hydro clutch :naughty:

AJSB

  • JTWR450

Posted April 16, 2005 - 11:35 AM

#17

Saddly to all you Jap bike fans, its was decided long ago that only Euro bikes have 6 gears ...and hydro clutch :naughty:

AJSB


But our Jap Bikes run and your Euro bikes like to sit on stands and be wrenched on

  • AJSB

Posted April 16, 2005 - 11:45 AM

#18

Naahhh....*all* modern 4S like wrenching :naughty:

Actually now i have a Euro 2S...very little wrenching (crossing my fingers :naughty:...
Piston & rings once per year...3 years allready now , very hard riding, 6500KM...
Better i change those crankshaft bearings just for sure no matter they seem perfect...


AJSB

  • Chevy_Cowboy

Posted April 16, 2005 - 11:57 AM

#19

Well I'm in the minority but I'd rather have a steel frame on a trail bike, I've never ridden a aluminum frame bike that felt right to me.

I'm really hopeing the steel frame stays around through the 06 model year for the WR's because by then my wife will have outgrown her klr (really already has) and we'll be buying her a new WR450, If the 06 has a aluminum frame, I'll be searching dealers for a left over 05 (or another 04 would be even better)

  • xcracer123

Posted April 16, 2005 - 01:29 PM

#20

I read somewhere about an external oil tank in the front of the engine. Right where the frame splits and it would be covered by the bash plate. It would carry weight lower and keep the same oil capacity. Same theory as having the fuel cell sit down in the frame instead of riding on top therefore lowering the center of gravity. I'm not impressed with any design that would lower oil capacity any more than it already is. I'm already changing the oil after every race or extended trail ride. I want 'ole blue to last as long as possible! Oil is cheap insurance. Although with my newly acquired ACL tear it looks as if the bike will last a little longer due to non use. :naughty:




 
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