Need some more carb advice


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  • BURLEY

Posted December 13, 2004 - 07:42 PM

#1

My new '05 WR is running poorly. As most of you know I did all the free mods and it has a ProCircuit Type 496. 48/172 jetting. It was running good. Put one desert race on it and some great trail rides. After the race, the "Yamacough" dead spot right off idle was bad. Cleaning the air filter didn't help. It wasn't "just right" and Indy suggested I go back to a 165 main. I also bought a YZ needle and proceeded to take things apart to rejet. At the same time I eliminated the AIS (had a friend weld the fitting and I capped off the other holes). I don't sence any air leaks. It will barely run now. It will start but it bobbles horribly and has this nasty nasty backfire. I put the jets back in the way I had it including the stock needle. The AIS fittings are sealed good. I can't find any vacuum leaks but no matter what I do with the jetting/fuel screw/idle etc...it runs the same. POORLY. I am searching every possiblity. Could I have taken H2O through the breather? Could I have valve issues (the bike has maybe 15 hours on it)? Doesn't this sound like a vacuum leak? I am at that point where nothing is working and I need a second set of "hands"...Thanks guys....Mike

  • bikepilot

Posted December 13, 2004 - 08:04 PM

#2

Hey, just a wild guess, but have you checked the rubber compliance fitting between the carb and head? Maybe some foreign material in the idle port? (pull mixture screw and check the order and condition of the tiny little o-ring/washer/spring). Maybe when the carb was disassembled last time, the float got bent a little and is dragging on the side of the fuel bowl? Is the gas flowing freely out of the petcock? If not is the gas cap vented correctly? You probably already checked all this but I figured I'd toss it out there anyway... good luck.

  • onelugnut

Posted December 13, 2004 - 08:04 PM

#3

Did you check the plug?when started pull the hot start then the choke

  • BURLEY

Posted December 13, 2004 - 08:33 PM

#4

Ya all that is good. I checked the plug too. I have gone through the carb pretty good looking for junk. The gas is flowing etc.

  • CISCO

Posted December 14, 2004 - 05:57 AM

#5

Im guessing:

Manifold leak or your hot start is stuck open?

When you removed the carb, did you possibly damage the intake boot on the cylunder side? I wrestled a carb out once and put a rip in the intake boot.

  • BURLEY

Posted December 14, 2004 - 08:52 AM

#6

Im guessing:

Manifold leak or your hot start is stuck open?

When you removed the carb, did you possibly damage the intake boot on the cylunder side? I wrestled a carb out once and put a rip in the intake boot.



I checked the boot. It looks good. I am still searching for leaks. When I put the bike back together the first time (after paint) I had the hot start cable routed wrong and it was stuck open. It wouldn't even start AT ALL, so I don't think that's it.

  • onelugnut

Posted December 14, 2004 - 08:12 PM

#7

Any luck burley

  • BURLEY

Posted December 14, 2004 - 09:26 PM

#8

No and I am ready to throw a fit! Thanks for asking though

  • onelugnut

Posted December 15, 2004 - 07:41 AM

#9

Are you sure you didn't replace the wrong jet?When it is running pull the hot start and see if any change.Then do the same with the choke.
A leakdown test will tell you if you have valve problems

  • Treebark

Posted December 15, 2004 - 08:39 AM

#10

When is it backfiring, after a twist of the throttle or at idling and from where the carb or the exhaust? Have you tried a new plug or checked electrical connections? I'm not familier with the AIS system so I'm not sure how that affects anything. If it's not jetting and it backfires all time then I'd check the valve clearances and change the plug.

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  • Rattler88

Posted December 15, 2004 - 09:31 AM

#11

If it's sick at idle and right off the start I would check the air screw
by removing it and cleaning it, and make sure that no dirt got in there.
Also you might want to check the float hight and make sure that there's
no crap in the little spring jet, changing the float hight on you.
Just some other opps for you???

  • BURLEY

Posted December 15, 2004 - 04:20 PM

#12

Ok, I am back in business. I put in a new plug. Fresh gasoline and....found the plate on the slider in the carb (that the needle passes through) was upside down. It has a cresent shaped notch on the bottom and I found that notch on top. I didn't figure it would make THAT much of a difference, but my guess is that this is what the problem is. If anyone has had a similar experience... SHARE. And thanks for all the replies. I love TT. The bike is 100% now and I am SO relieved. I thought I was losing my mind.

  • onelugnut

Posted December 15, 2004 - 04:34 PM

#13

:cry: :cry:

  • Indy_WR450

Posted December 15, 2004 - 04:41 PM

#14

Ok, I am back in business. I put in a new plug. Fresh gasoline and....found the plate on the slider in the carb (that the needle passes through) was upside down. It has a cresent shaped notch on the bottom and I found that notch on top. I didn't figure it would make THAT much of a difference, but my guess is that this is what the problem is. If anyone has had a similar experience... SHARE. And thanks for all the replies. I love TT. The bike is 100% now and I am SO relieved. I thought I was losing my mind.


There have been a lot of posts on the FCR carb on TT related to this issue. Glad you figured it out. I was stumped on your original problem. Why did you pull the slide out to rejet? :cry:

  • BURLEY

Posted December 15, 2004 - 07:20 PM

#15

There have been a lot of posts on the FCR carb on TT related to this issue. Glad you figured it out. I was stumped on your original problem. Why did you pull the slide out to rejet? :cry:



YZ needle install.

  • Indy_WR450

Posted December 15, 2004 - 07:40 PM

#16

I just grab the needle jet with needle nose plyers and pull it up and out. No need to pull out the slide. :cry:

  • BURLEY

Posted December 16, 2004 - 12:11 PM

#17

I just grab the needle jet with needle nose plyers and pull it up and out. No need to pull out the slide. :cry:



Ya right Indy. I was born at night, but it wasn't last night!

  • Jackazz

Posted December 16, 2004 - 12:42 PM

#18

Um wait a minute here... I did'nt have to pull the slide or use needlenose pliers on my carb to get the needle out when I changed the clip position, I just flipped it over & it fell right out. :cry:

But then I did take off the cables & completely remove it from the bike! :cry: :cry:

Actually the only reason I removed it was just to "get a good look at it" & clean it up/out while I was messing with the needle. :cry:

  • Indy_WR450

Posted December 16, 2004 - 01:54 PM

#19

As I was saying you can do it on the bike by tilting the carb towards the kick starter and removing the top and using needle nose plyers to grab the head of the needle. It is a quick way of changing thew needle without taking the carb off. :cry:

  • Jackazz

Posted December 16, 2004 - 02:00 PM

#20

Indy, I'm picking up what you're lay'n down man :cry: I only pulled the carb off so I could clutch it to my chest & rub my grubby mitts all over it while laughing madly in my Dr. Evil voice. :cry:




 
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