Studded "SNOW" tires
Posted December 13, 2004 - 07:31 PM
Well I cant afford (or find) a good set of pro built ice tires. Nor can I make them. So I will limp along on the tires that I have.
But for trail ridding I want a set of Trellyberg winter friction tires. But there are 2 problems with this.
1. They are bloody expensive, like $600
2. Trelly aint makin them anymore. Some Chineese company took them over and the new ones arn't as good I hear.
So my other option is to make a set. But once again there are financial dificulties to overcome with this also. To start the Bruno Wessel Stud Gun that is needes to insert the studs costs about $350. I missed out on one of these on e-bay this fall, it went for $10.50 Then there is the cost of the rally studs, $130 for 500 studs. A set of tires is gonna take over 800 studs. Then there is the cost of 2 new tires. Oh and there is Loctite adhesive that you also need. Plus some acid to clean the studs. So what does that all cost about $700 for the 1st set of tires. OUCH.
So I am thinking "if I get a few people in we could offset the cost of the gun" But then no one really own's the gun.
So I dug around a little more and wala I find it. A tool rental place in Muskegon has the gun for rent. I am not sure if it is a Bruno Wessel (the most common brand that I know of) But if it is they rent it for $35 a day. I am bettin that I could stud a few tires in 1 day like this. I already have a good set of tires that I could stud. for maybe $250 I think I could stud up a set.
Check out these websites. It will give you all a better idea what I am looking to do and the tools involved.
Now IF this works out and I am able to stud a set of tires for a reasonable cost, anyone else interested in something like this? Maybe you supply the tire and I throw them in. Or tell ya's where to rent the gun and you do it yourself.
I may offer the tool place like $100 to see if they will sell me there gun. I mean really how much use do you think that thing sees. $100 is probably gonna be 3 years rental fees for them.
At any rate I thought I would throw this out there for ya all to chew on. Trelly style tires work and last sooo much longer than ice screw tires. especially offroad. I have a friend that has a set of Trelly's that are like 10 years old and they look like new still.
Posted December 14, 2004 - 04:55 AM
Posted December 14, 2004 - 05:06 AM
You can go cheeper on the studs. the automotive style studs are only $22 for 500. What we may be able to do is use the Rally studs in the rear and the automotive studs in the front. The front tire dosn't get any wear so that is not a problem using the cheeper studs there. The rear, because it is spinning, will be harder on studs. That is were the Carbide tipped rally studs will be the ticket.
I gotta go check out that gun and see what it is and what studs it takes. I'll post more as I hear it.
Posted December 14, 2004 - 10:49 AM
Posted December 14, 2004 - 11:39 AM
Posted December 14, 2004 - 12:19 PM
Posted December 14, 2004 - 12:28 PM
we have to eat at some fancy place - you know, the kind with a roof and chairs
Your talking crazy man! Whatever happened to a fried egg sandwich on the side of the trail. You know the one. The sandwich that has been in your fanny pack since the begining of the season. Or the granola bar that long ago stoped looking like a bar and more like cerial. Snackin at the side of the trail or next to the gas station is the shiznit!
$150 can get me through one or two weekends of bikes.
$150 got me thru a week of riding/camping/drinking up to Marquette a few years back. You sleders have too much money to throw around.
Posted December 14, 2004 - 02:08 PM
Posted December 15, 2004 - 01:20 PM
Posted December 15, 2004 - 01:45 PM
No I gotta tear the YZ apart this weekend and check the valves and grease some squeeky parts. No riddin this weekend unless I get really lucky and Bostons has my shims in stock.
IF I do ride this weekends it is gonna be without studs. Should be interesting. Ive done it before. I could throw on a studded front though. That will at least keep the front under me.
Posted December 15, 2004 - 05:36 PM
I still got to check out the gun that the rental place has. And i have a few other leads to check out also for a stud gun.
Posted December 15, 2004 - 07:47 PM
Posted December 16, 2004 - 05:45 AM
The Trelleborg Studs are a 9mm rally stud. As far as the lengths, we are currently using 9 x 20mm in front tires and rear tires. I have personally studded front with 9 x 20mm studs and a rear with 9 x 23mm studs (on a Honda CR250). We were trying the 9 x 23’s as a test to see how well they would hold up in our tires. So far I have all last season on them and I just put them back on 2 rides ago and they held up well. I used the 9 x 23’s in every knob, including the side knobs. There are no clearance issues with the chain or the swingarm. But, the tires that we are currently selling have 9 x 20’s in both the front and rear tires. Trelleborg does however use two (2) different length studs in their tires.
We use the 3.5mm bit for both the 8mm and 9mm studs.
Hole depth for the 9 x 20mm Rally Stud is: 0.578”
A front tire has about 280 studs and our rear tires have about 240 studs, that is one stud per knob.
We have 9mm Stud Guns in stock and we also have studs in stock. Also all our studs are the Rally Stud.
Sorry for the late reply. If you have any other questions please feel free to ask.
Posted December 16, 2004 - 07:54 AM
i figure about the same for the bike 100 bucks, 90% is gas for the truck getting to the trail . depending on where we are riding, baldwin 1 1/2 tanks of gas for the truck, cadilac 2 tanks, kalkaska 2 1/2 tanks at now days about 40 to 50 bucks a fill up . so yes i feel your pain. as far as doing the stud thing it will have to wait for this year for me, ill just be using cold cutters myself.
2.5 tanks of gas to Kalkaska! Jeez, I went down to lansing and back a couple of months ago and only used about 3/4 of a tank (30gal.) You must really have a lead foot Jim.
Posted December 16, 2004 - 06:21 PM
Posted December 16, 2004 - 06:37 PM
Posted December 16, 2004 - 06:52 PM
as to how much gas i used i am gussing at the 2 1/2 tanks i know i did not have a full tank before i left, so i filled up somewhere along the way i think it was in plain well, that go me to kalkaska, i filled up there when i left, and i ....now i know i filled up the tank just before i got home so yea maybe it was just 2 tanks of gas i do remember it was over 2 bucks a gallon though
Posted December 17, 2004 - 06:01 AM
Posted December 17, 2004 - 06:26 AM
I might try to sneak out to Cedar Saturday. I have my rear shock apart right now and should have it back together tonight. Run it over to Boston in the morning for a charge, and have it back on the bike Saturday morning. If that pans out, I will be dieing to test it out. Sunday I have the in-laws Christmas party plus it is supposed to get really cold and snow Sunday.
Let me know!
Posted December 17, 2004 - 04:19 PM