Brand New and I May Have Ruined Her!!

[BWB63]

Hey, we all do it.... ? If we didn't say anything or never took a chance at saying what we believe we wouldn't be having all this fun. You are just lucky Irondude didn't catch you ?

[irondude]

Roadcam, its a tough crowd on here. But for sure we have all been there....

I once incorrectly called the XR650R axle nuts 17-24....guys where cool about my fup, gingerly correcting my inglnorance... but it was really embarrassing.

Seems like the 650 site is a lot mellower than some. Guess its the fact that 19 year olds dont ride 650s. Those 2 stroke MX guys are harsh.

Looking back on it, 19 was a lame age.

[BIGGITY]

Yeah having a bit*h of a time getting it re-sized right. So I said forget it and just left it midget sized. ? And since i can only get 2-4 feet off the ground on my piggy I have to find someway to get high (minus the drugs ? j/k)

[craft]

After buying an aftermarket dipstick with a temp gauge in it, there's no doubt imo that 4-5 min isn't enough time to warm the bike for checking the oil...even if its 90 degrees. It's amazing how long it takes for the bike to hit the normal operating temp of 225ish. I can warm the bike for 7-8 min and get 3 miles down the road and still not be over 175. - - - If you don't have one or want to fork out the $40, I read in another thread where someone recommended feeling the oil filter case to gauge how warm the oil/motor is. The head might feel warm, and the pipe hot, but if that filter case is cool then you're probably not waiting long enough.

Plus, I think the dipstick temp gauge looks pretty trick. ?

[BWB63]

Irondude you are sounding more and more like that nice guy Mike Kay! What's up with that??? ?

[pammy]

There are 5-6 dealers in the Phoenix metro area that are owned by the same corporation. They are liars and thieves. They are the large shops that usually have name "Motorsports" tied in with title. I would rather not ride at all, then buy something from them. I would not trust them to look at my bike. I drove all the way to Tucson to buy my bike from a reputable dealer.

I would be interested to know where you purchased your bike.

I'm not sure, but I think Honda puts the oil in at the factory.

Motorsports suck...check out this site.

http://www.arizonamotorsports.com/ (they're too dumb to reserve a domain name!)

[JackAttack]

Motorsports suck...check out this site.

http://www.arizonamotorsports.com/ (they're too dumb to reserve a domain name!)

????

I had no idea that site existed. That is great. ?

So many people continue to be screwed over by those people, it is sad. ?

Thanks for the link, I am passing it on to everyone I know. Most of them will have there own horror stories to add to the site.

Now that I think about it, my buddy took his YZ426 to them to have it serviced. When we noticed the engine was running red hot, we found they had forgotten to fill the oil. ???

[irondude]

That site is awesome. Hilarious. So great that guy actually sat down and set it up. Arizona Rawks!

I need to build some sites like that. one for:

the Hondaberg CRF250X P.O.S.

Outting the Cheaters of Baja 1000,

lack of professionalism in moto-jouranlism (one big circle jerk.com?),

and my new one--French People are Turning Into Muslims (FPTIM.com?)

you know what i'm saying? ?

[BWB63]

Don't get me started on those ungreatfull French! I think all the good French left and came here 100+ years ago and left all the French retards to run the country! How can you have a race and forbid the rider from running his countries colors??? Can you run your colors once out of France? Is it only the U.S. flag? Or all the countries can't run there flags? They always talk of being tollerant but, only in it goes there way???? What has camo become a sign of man hood and the french fags find it offencive??? Geoff's camo bike would be real cool over there ?

[JackAttack]

I need to build some sites like that. one for:

OH NO!

Just what we needed:

Irondude.net

?????

[jlpskydive]

That site is the friggin best. Talk about some flame wars. that's going on the favs folder.

[AzMtnThumper]

Motorsports suck...check out this site.

http://www.arizonamotorsports.com/ (they're too dumb to reserve a domain name!)

???? :cry:

...damn, that's too funny.

[Roll_it_on]

Where did poor Dualsport Newbie go? If you are out there I really feel for you on this one. Nothing like wondering if it hurt your new bike at all and what to do next. I'm sorry it happened like this on your new bike. The dealer should just give you a new engine especially if they are holding to the fact that it is fine and there was no damage. Great! let them take the risk on their time/nickle. They obviously set it out the door low on oil unless your seals drank almost two quarts of oil ? Right......... Let us know what you decided to do and or if you got it figured out to your satisfaction.

[pammy]

The motorsports owner also runs several auto dealerships here in Snobbsdale, I mean Scottsdale, if that tells you anything.

(no offense to anyone who might live there, just had bad experiences working there)

[JackAttack]

I posted the link on another AZ web-site and a guy that used to work there wrote this:

As a 17 year old working at T & C for $4.25/hour I figured it was my duty to ride the customer units.

Most notable:

Wrecked a newly purchased 1996 ZX11 in the garage when my boss intentionally jumped in front of me.

Looped a nice ATC250R showing off in the parking lot.

Rode an immaculate wheelie on a 1991/1992? NX650, right in front of the customer, oops. (This guy thought it was cool)

Cracked a customers jet ski hull with a forklift.

Rolled a Honda 300cc utility quad in the dirt area next to the Payless (This was the old T&C location).

Once a mechanic told us (lot techs) that a ZX6 had an oil leak, so we wouldn't ride it. We kept adding oil to it between rides, and eventually somebody caused significant damage.

Had countless bikes fall over in the shop truck/flatbed trailer. Some were new, just being delivered.

I witnessed 10X more than I actually did. Saw a nice BMW get dropped while loading, fell 3'.

One time a tech was bringing in a crated Sea-Doo, managed to somehow ignite it with a cigarette butt... He comes runnin in with yelling for the fire extinguisher, we were all stunned. It burned pretty good.

I knew a guy who stole a radio out of a GoldWing, busting up the fairing.

This was the daily norm. Lot tech turn over was high, I was there a year, got fired 3 times, always to be hired back the next day. They treated us like crap, After a year I got a big raise up to $4.50/hour.

To this day I refuse to roll my whole bike into the shop. I only take 'em the assembly that needs fixing... and only as a last resort.

I remember seeing CR500s ocassionaly come in. In those cases it wasn't just the lot-techs, EVERYBODY got a turn.

The salesmen were the WORST:

They'd sell a used bike. Then they would roll it back to service for us to detail... There were times we'd point out a problem, sometimes a serious safety issue. At best they would jimmy-rig something out of cannibalized parts, even off of customer bikes. At worst...well...figure it out. It was like a sleazy competition, to see who could, and I quote, "Rape the customer" the most.

[dualsport newbie]

Where did poor Dualsport Newbie go? If you are out there I really feel for you on this one. Nothing like wondering if it hurt your new bike at all and what to do next. I'm sorry it happened like this on your new bike. The dealer should just give you a new engine especially if they are holding to the fact that it is fine and there was no damage. Great! let them take the risk on their time/nickle. They obviously set it out the door low on oil unless your seals drank almost two quarts of oil ? Right......... Let us know what you decided to do and or if you got it figured out to your satisfaction.

I'm still here. I was kinda sitting back and really getting a kick out of the discussion. I am certainly glad to see all of the feedback about the honda dealership that happens to be the closest to me (T&C Motorsports).

I had been trying to avoid finishing the story for fear of exile from TT. I really have the art of the "moron" down to a science! Please refrain from sending me darwin awards announcements after hearing the bounds of my mental deficiencies. So, I ended up draining all of the oil and pulling the oil filter out of the bike. I decided I was going to be precise and follow the owners manual to the "T". I borrowed a torque wrench and set out to tighten the bolts on the oil filter cover to 9 lbs-ft of torque (as per the manual). Being the genius that I am, I did not test the wrench to see that it was working properly. Guess what? Yep, snapped some bolts. So, to make a short story long, I had to purchase new bolts. I looked at the oil filter cover and the mounting in the engine and they seem to be ok (but then again, I'm a moron). I put in a new filter and EXACTLY 2.06 qts of oil (as per manual) and rode for about 30 min. I immediately checked the oil after shutting her down and I was about 2mm on the full side of the "full line" on the dipstick. So that's the tale.

After letting the cat out of the bag (letting everyone know how skilled I am with a torque wrench and that my motorcycle IQ is measured in a single digit), I think I am going to have to change my username at TT. The good news is that it sounds like I'm qualified to work as a mechanic at T&C Motorsports!

So thanks for all of the advice and I'll be posting under my new pen-name here shortly to mask my mechanical shortcomings. Although I am a terrible mechanic, I sure am having fun learning! Productive or not, I will still continue to do my own maintenance. Time will tell if there was damage done by either too little oil, too much oil, or over tightening the bolts on the oil filter cover.

[sgifford]

Oh don't worry about it. Most of us have gone through similar excercises in 'duh!' at one point or another. I'm glad to hear you stuck with it and appear to have it resolved. That engine is a tough one, so you'll probably be OK.

Seldon

[JackAttack]

I'm still here. I was kinda sitting back and really getting a kick out of the discussion. I am certainly glad to see all of the feedback about the honda dealership that happens to be the closest to me (T&C Motorsports)

Here is another horror story, there are way too many more, so this is the last I will paste:

The maintenance isn't always done. A budy of mine had his fz1 at the chandler T&C to get it's 26,000 mile valve check. They needed to pull the valve cover and measure valve clearances. He had marked across the valve cover and block with sealant (on the back side of the engine because he had heard of the shoddy work they do) Well got the bike back a week later and guess what, they never even opened the valve cover! He confronted them right there and told them he had marked the cover. He said they kept bringing other people out to try to calm him down. Then a guy told him they did a leak down check with air and his valves were OK. Where in the hell does is specify a leak down check in a yamaha manual to check valve clearance!

I wouldn't let them touch any of my scooters!!

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[oldoutdoorsman]

Some lessons are better learned the hard way...from experience! But the way I look at it...its an honest innocent mistake the first time it happens...it's stupidity the second and we won't get into the 3rd time but I have been there. So don't beat yourself up...I have done worse.

I'm not talking about the AZ shops those guys sound horrible...I'm talking to Dualsportnewbie.

OOM

[J_T]

I had my 650R in a dealer here b/c I couldn't find an electrical problem and after keeping it for a week they told me they couldn't work on it b/c they thought it was fuel related and wouldn't work on it b/c I had an edelbrock carb. But since I insisted it wasn't fuel related they said they couldn't check electrical on it b/c all they do it swap good parts of known good bikes in the shop and they didn't have any 650Rs in to switch parts off of. So I lost faith in dealers who make money off sales instead of mechanics and customer service. But as far as I know I haven't heard anything as bad as those in AZ! Thats sad and impressive!