Red Hot Head Pipe!!! RED!!


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  • ThumperKid250F

Posted November 20, 2004 - 02:31 PM

#21

check it out at night sometime.....
looks pretty cool in the dark.



OOOO hell ya :cry:

  • yz426onNOS

Posted November 20, 2004 - 02:39 PM

#22

You said you agreed that the poster should have searched first, then asked. I disagree. If that's not what you meant, you shouldn't have said it.

I also happen to thoroughly disagree with the last line of your signature, in general.


When you have such a simple question, that can be answered with a little search or thought. There is no need to ask the same question over, and over, and over again. If you own a motorcycle you should have some basic knowledge. The same goes for your car. My point is people are either to lazy or too stupid to be operating a motorcycle. I don't like to come into a tech form and see a bunch of lame questions. I like technical questions and if they are to lazy to use the search function or look for a couple old post then screw them. It's just like the fish analogy. If you teach a person to use a search function then they will search for there answers rather then post a stupid question over and over and over again. Now if there too stupid to know that it is supposed to be like that. They have better have a lot of money or get rid of that bike and go buy a Honda civic. My sig. is entirely true. Most people in the world are to narrow and simple minded to see things from another perspective. Therefore if I explain something technical to you and you have no idea what I’m talking about, then you wont understand. Therefore I have just wasted my energy and time. If you figure it out on your own then you will fully understand. But you probably wont see were I’m coming from either.

  • grayracer513

Posted November 21, 2004 - 03:17 PM

#23

When you have such a simple question, that can be answered with a little search or thought. There is no need to ask the same question over, and over, and over again.


Once again, I doubt that, in 2 months, he has asked this question more than once.

If you own a motorcycle you should have some basic knowledge. My point is people are either to lazy or too stupid to be operating a motorcycle.


I see. And you don't care how they gather this information as long as they don't come to you for it?

I don't like to come into a tech form and see a bunch of lame questions.

I'm sorry, but the simple fact that condition is normal in this case does not make it a lame question. It would be quite abnormal on most other engines, and it frankly doesn't surprise me at all that it causes as much alarm as it it does when it is first seen.

I like technical questions and if they are to lazy to use the search function or look for a couple old post then screw them. It's just like the fish analogy. If you teach a person to use a search function then they will search for there answers rather then post a stupid question over and over and over again. Now if there too stupid to know that it is supposed to be like that. They have better have a lot of money or get rid of that bike and go buy a Honda civic.

Your way or GTF out...pretty one sided. Was there never a point in time that you didn't know stuff like this? You say people should never post a question in a discussion forum until after they spend time searching impersonal sites?

My sig. is entirely true. Most people in the world are to narrow and simple minded to see things from another perspective. Therefore if I explain something technical to you and you have no idea what I’m talking about, then you wont understand.


Interesting, because it says that if you have to explain it AT ALL, it won't be understandable, not if it's not understood the first time. iT says' "If you don't a;ready know it, you can't learn it."

But you probably wont see were I’m coming from either.


Oh, I think I do. People who know less than you, or don't know something that you regard as common knowledge are lazy and stupid, and shouldn't own a motorcycle, much less ask a question about them on a tech forum, because your time is too important to deal with such trivia. I can think of a solution to offer.

Sharing experiences and knowledge on a forum like this isn't about who knows more than who, or who has the most posts, our who can one-up who with an answer. It isn't a good-old-boys club for pro engine builders and engineers to swap info undisturbed by those whose knowledge drops below some arbitrary level. It is, or at least should be about a community of motorcyclists with one or several common interests, excluding no one except those that can't be civil, regardless of their expertise, helping each other however they can, even if it means answering the same lame question over and over. It should be a place where any newbie should be able to sign on and find out anything and everything that we collectively have learned without worrying that he will be called lazy, stupid, or lame.

That's how I see it.
:cry:

  • sandman900ss

Posted November 21, 2004 - 10:45 PM

#24

Sharing experiences and knowledge on a forum like this isn't about who knows more than who, or who has the most posts, our who can one-up who with an answer. It isn't a good-old-boys club for pro engine builders and engineers to swap info undisturbed by those whose knowledge drops below some arbitrary level. It is, or at least should be about a community of motorcyclists with one or several common interests, excluding no one except those that can't be civil, regardless of their expertise, helping each other however they can, even if it means answering the same lame question over and over. It should be a place where any newbie should be able to sign on and find out anything and everything that we collectively have learned without worrying that he will be called lazy, stupid, or lame.

That's how I see it.
:cry:


THANK YOU, Amen, and right on Greyracer! :cry: Well said, and nice to see a response from an understanding member of the human race. It just so happens I'M a newbie here also, and I had the same question after seeing my buddie's YZ426 exhaust glowing at idle. The thread title grabbed my attention immediately, and I learned something- and I wouldn't have done a search. I'm about to get my own 426, and this enlightened me nd was useful just as posted. Let's just get on with it. :cry:

  • hontrx265r

Posted November 22, 2004 - 07:21 AM

#25

I had this problem and eveyone said it was normal, Then I realized my hotstart had come off the head, and it was running extremely lean, It hasn't happened since. I'm glad it wasn't normal, I also have an aftermarket header

  • CRFThumper

Posted November 22, 2004 - 10:13 AM

#26

Where did your hot start go into your head?On my 03 450 it gos into the top of the carb!Must be a different year huh? :cry:

  • Wyatt

Posted November 22, 2004 - 11:04 AM

#27

Completly normal. Once you rev up the bike, the flow of exhaust will actually cool down the pipe internally.



I think that may be true, because mine would get less red when I reved the engine. :cry:

Scary?? Yeah!! It scares me to see myself surounded by glowing pipes on the staring line and thinking of the nasty burns you can get in a first turn pile up. There should be a rule that everyone but me is on a 2 stroke. :cry:

  • yz426onNOS

Posted November 22, 2004 - 02:19 PM

#28

Once again, I doubt that, in 2 months, he has asked this question more than once.

[COLOR=Sienna]It's not that he asked the question, the point is this has been beaten into the ground hundreds of times. If he was smart and thought "maybe this may have been asked before, I’ll check to see if it has been discussed before by using the search function". Again you don't understand my point, hence my sig proves to be right again.[/COLOR]

I see. And you don't care how they gather this information as long as they don't come to you for it?

[COLOR=Sienna]Not true, again you missing my point![/COLOR]

I'm sorry, but the simple fact that condition is normal in this case does not make it a lame question. It would be quite abnormal on most other engines, and it frankly doesn't surprise me at all that it causes as much alarm as it it does when it is first seen.

[COLOR=Sienna]The fact that it is normal for almost all vehicles with headers and a race motor to do this. Makes this question very lame! This is just like he owned a le saber for a car and then went out and bought full on race car to drive/race. You don't go out and buy a high performance machine and not know a thing about them. That is idiotic and stupid![/COLOR]

Your way or GTF out...pretty one sided. Was there never a point in time that you didn't know stuff like this? You say people should never post a question in a discussion forum until after they spend time searching impersonal sites?

[COLOR=Sienna]I'll tell you what, you go to a major off road website like Snort or Pirate. Then you post in there tech form on how to change the fluid in your D44. After you do that tell me what type of response you get.[/COLOR]

Interesting, because it says that if you have to explain it AT ALL, it won't be understandable, not if it's not understood the first time. iT says' "If you don't a;ready know it, you can't learn it."

[COLOR=Sienna]Why don’t you think about. Like mentioned after my sig. If you come to the answer by yourself and research it by your self , the knowledge is there to be had. Then you will understand it fully. Again my sig applies here.[/COLOR]

Oh, I think I do. People who know less than you, or don't know something that you regard as common knowledge are lazy and stupid, and shouldn't own a motorcycle, much less ask a question about them on a tech forum, because your time is too important to deal with such trivia. I can think of a solution to offer.

Sharing experiences and knowledge on a forum like this isn't about who knows more than who, or who has the most posts, our who can one-up who with an answer. It isn't a good-old-boys club for pro engine builders and engineers to swap info undisturbed by those whose knowledge drops below some arbitrary level. It is, or at least should be about a community of motorcyclists with one or several common interests, excluding no one except those that can't be civil, regardless of their expertise, helping each other however they can, even if it means answering the same lame question over and over. It should be a place where any newbie should be able to sign on and find out anything and everything that we collectively have learned without worrying that he will be called lazy, stupid, or lame.

That's how I see it.
:cry:


[COLOR=Sienna]You still DON'T get it![/COLOR]

  • grayracer513

Posted November 22, 2004 - 04:56 PM

#29

[COLOR=Sienna]You still DON'T get it![/COLOR]

Yes, as I said, I think I do.

You have still never explained how it is that 4Stroke4Life was supposed to know that this had been asked so many times, since he's been here two months. Oh, yeah, search, right? Yes, of course. He was probably thrown off by the way the web site calls itself a Discussion Forum, and because the navigation is set up so that the only right way to search for something is to search within a forum. And it's a funny thing too, because what you end up searching is discussiion threads, not an encyclopedic list of facts about bikes. So, if there were no discussions, there would be nothing to search for, would there? What if the first person who wanted to ask this question had been told it was too lame to discuss? What would someone like 4Stroke4Life search for, exacty?

The first high-performance engine I ever built was in 1966, and I've been around them before that, and pretty much ever since. I still say that in the world of off-the-shelf dirt bikes, a glowing head pipe in two minutes of run time is a relatively new thing, and an understandable surprise to most people.

This isn't Snort or Pirate. If someone asks how to change the oil in his YZF, I'll point out to him that he needs to get his hands on a good manual to properly maintain his bike, and then give him a link to ThumperFAQ. As simple and obvious, and yes, even lame as that question is, I'm not going to call him lazy or stupid.

When someone signs on and asks a question for the first few times, you or I nor anyone else has any idea what he knows or doesn't know. You jump to the wrong conclusion and you could end up calling an engineer who got his masters in 5 years while working full time lazy and stupid! You have no way of knowing. I'm not like you, you're nothing like me, and niether of us is anything like the wrooster, or YZ250F_Rider, or Gonzo, or Satch, but we've all brought something to TT, and we've all taken something out of it. And when we first sign on, we're are as anonymous as anyone has ever been. You can't tell until you hear them out what they bring with them, what their story is, or what they need to learn. But they're all people, and they all deserve to be treated with a little dignity, at least until they show they don't want to do the same for others.

We invite people here to ask questions and talk about 4-strokes. It would be a good idea if we show them a little courtesy, and not call them names and belittle them for making the unpardonable mistake of asking a FAQ that we're tired of hearing.

If everyone learned on their own, we would need no teachers to explain things. If someone wants a question answered, or to have something explained, I'll be happy to do it, as well as I can. Personally, I welcome the least of them. The more we all learn from each other here, the better off we will all be. If it annoys you to deal with such trivia, just don't bother to open the thread, it will just make you mad.

:cry:

  • BURLEY

Posted November 22, 2004 - 05:21 PM

#30

The pipe is Titanium too. That stuff glows. Let's play nice here. If you can't take a redundant question here every now and then, lighten up and ignore it....or find another place to hang out.

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  • yz426onNOS

Posted November 22, 2004 - 06:51 PM

#31

Yes, as I said, I think I do.

You have still never explained how it is that 4Stroke4Life was supposed to know that this had been asked so many times, since he's been here two months.





I explained it in my previous post. I consider it to be common sense to know to use the search function first. It's not that he asked the question, the point is this has been beaten into the ground hundreds of times. If he was smart and thought "maybe this may have been asked before, I’ll check to see if it has been discussed before by using the search function". Again you don't understand my point, hence my sig proves to be right again. Like I said before, you don't go from a low performance bike and jump right into a high performance bike. You are supposed to read and gain information about it. That’s why I’m so pissed. It's like wanting to put NOS on your bike. I'll tell you what, call any engine builder and tell them you want to put NOS on your bike and that you don't know hardly anything about it. They will tell you to do some research and get as much knowledge from it as possible. That’s a good analogy for this scenario. I'm getting sick of arguing, so anyway.

  • motobark

Posted November 22, 2004 - 08:20 PM

#32

I really don't want to get in the middle of a p#ssing match, but I have three comments I'd like to throw in...

"If I have to explain this to you, you will never understand"

That tells me you're not a very good teacher. If you can't explain something to someone and have them understand it, you must not understand it yourself. Or you understand it but don't have the skills to communicate that knowledge to someone else. I also "thoroughly disagree with the last line of your signature, in general".

Thank you very much Gray Racer for saying exactly what I was thinking, and I'm sure what many other TT members that read this thread were also thinking. You were very articulate and accurate with your responses, without being snotty. I'm impressed and happy to see an example of the best any forum could have as far as a valuable contributor. Thank you for your comments here and in the past, keep it up!

As far as the actual subject of this thread, I believe one of the reasons why the pipe cools when you jazz the throttle is because of the added fuel. If you keep the accel pump spraying by blipping the throttle, you can get the pipe to stop glowing for a little while.

John

  • grayracer513

Posted November 22, 2004 - 08:36 PM

#33

As far as the actual subject of this thread, I believe one of the reasons why the pipe cools when you jazz the throttle is because of the added fuel. If you keep the accel pump spraying by blipping the throttle, you can get the pipe to stop glowing for a little while.

John

Thanks for your comments. I just think we owe it to each other.

Another thing about jazzing the throttle is that when you close it, there is a relatively large temperature drop that starts behind the carb slide as a result of the enormous vacuum created. As this works through to the exhaust, I'm sure it contributes to a cooler pipe as well.

  • mkporn

Posted November 23, 2004 - 09:40 AM

#34

Reminds me of my last small block Chevy motor I had on the dyno.... Headers on the thing glow red hot, kind of freaky the first time.... I use to smoke, never had to carry a lighter with me, gust used the exhaust. :cry:

  • motobrain000

Posted November 23, 2004 - 12:20 PM

#35

Sounds like someone needs an attitude adjustment. You know stupid questions only bother stupid people. I was freaked out when I first bought my YZ450 when the head pipe started glowing and I am an A rider who has been on nothing but 2 strokes for nearly 25 years. Theres always one guy on every forum that can talk the talk but probably cant even ride a motorcycle or may not even own one.

  • Wyatt

Posted November 23, 2004 - 01:39 PM

#36

he probably went back to the off topic forum. Thats where all of the "experts" hang out.

  • yz426onNOS

Posted November 23, 2004 - 09:30 PM

#37

Sounds like someone needs an attitude adjustment. You know stupid questions only bother stupid people. I was freaked out when I first bought my YZ450 when the head pipe started glowing and I am an A rider who has been on nothing but 2 strokes for nearly 25 years. Theres always one guy on every forum that can talk the talk but probably cant even ride a motorcycle or may not even own one.



I love how these post come from noobs.

  • yz426onNOS

Posted November 23, 2004 - 09:52 PM

#38

It's amazing what a little pokeing around the site will do. :cry:
I would hope that someone that has been here for 8 weeks would have found this and read it.

http://www.thumperta...ead.php?t=54475

  • Wyatt

Posted November 24, 2004 - 07:31 AM

#39

I love how these post come from noobs.



You registered in July... :cry: Dude....you're a newbie :cry:

  • motobrain000

Posted November 24, 2004 - 08:28 AM

#40

OOHHH! your a bouncer thats definate proof that you really ARE smart! Wyatt thats funny. Next time you go to a site and try to act smarter and more philosophical than everyone I would'nt advise putting your occupation as a bouncer. ( If i have to explain this to you, you will never understand)





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