Newb checking in with a big question...
Posted September 15, 2004 - 11:36 PM
If you were in my situation, which would you go for. I've read that a lot of people kill the smog stuff, but I'll drive it on the road, so...
Any comments? Thanks in advance...
Posted September 16, 2004 - 04:56 AM
Oh, and I say get the L. It's cheaper, meant for the road more and I just got mine and love it
Posted September 16, 2004 - 05:56 AM
Posted September 16, 2004 - 06:09 AM
I was able to find a bunch of threads about the differences between the two bikes last night. What about emissions? Do bikes get smogged in Cali? Is it legal to do all the upgrades I read about last night?
Posted September 16, 2004 - 06:18 AM
I want to use the bike primarily as a commuter to work and play on the weekend.
They'll both work about the same on the street but the R is simply a much better dirtbike. I think your decision should be based on how much offroading you really plan on doing.
Posted September 16, 2004 - 05:40 PM
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Posted September 17, 2004 - 06:02 AM
If you don't mind used and have cash ready to go, you may find a great deal if you bide your time
Posted September 17, 2004 - 06:22 AM
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Posted September 17, 2004 - 01:43 PM
Posted September 17, 2004 - 02:48 PM
Uncorked a "L" puts out 38hp, 42hp with after market stuff. Dry weight is 324pounds. 348~356 (depends on who you read it from) ready to ride.
Uncorked "R" puts out 46hp, 48hp with some after market stuff and 58+ if you put some money into it. Dry weight 277pounds. 302 ready to ride.
I put a plate on my "R" and it weighs 324 full of fuel with the bigger gas tank and all the extras. I have owned the XR500, XR600l, XR600R, and the XR650R and have put some good amount of time on the XR650L and it had less power then my XR600R (punched out with a 11.5:1 piston and hot cam) comfort felt the same as the older XR600L. There is nothing wrong with having a "L" and I would never think less of someone that showed up on one. But, when these talks start about which is better the "R" or the "L" the "L" can be beat by just about any duel sport bike that is on the market in one or more ways. DRZ400s with a Mikuni carburetor is in the same class as a "L". A XR400 has a better weight to Horse power ratio then the "L". If your just a street & fire road rider then it doesn't matter to much what you ride....you can make it as cumfy as you need it and off you go but, once someone says off road you are talking all kinds of different types of riding and most take that at meaning a bike that can take what ever you through at it. A good rider will make the "L" look like it can do it all but, the ride will be cut short from the extra work it will take and the fun is cut down from the fight compared to the same rider on a bike setup to do the job. It's the same when I take the BRP onto the MX track, what a work out! and the fear is way up there....much differemt story on a CR250.
Other things to think about; is the CV (constant velocity) carburetor on the 650L, what a pain in the butt! This is a bad setup off road but, great for the street! Steel frame & tank, air cooled,
XR650L does not have the same cartridge forks of the XR650R has a air adjustable fork setup of the XR600 but, softer! It isn't the same bike or close to it in any way. If you get right down to it; it goes on quite awhile; like 8.3:1 compression ratio on the XR650L and 10:1 compression ratio on the XR650R, different lift and duration on the cam. If you own a XR650L it's fun but, if you haven't ran a XR650R you don't know the difference! 25% more horse power and at 46 pounds lighter how can they be in the same leage? Next are we going to compare the CRF250 and the CRF230? The XR650L does a great job for what it was made for....if you ride any dirt it does better then the Kawasaki KLR650 but, not as good on the street. Compare the XR650L to the KLR 650, now you have a good argument.....Last time this hit the board; Someone said, "close to the same weight and power" NOT EVEN CLOSE! Someone said, "can go all the same places" NOT IN THE AIR! You'd brake the frame on the "L"!
The truth is that for the 650 class four stroke bikes, the XR650R is the best bet.
Husaberg FE 650 E 2003 This bike rocks! But, can you afford it?
KTM 525 MXC Desert Racing 2003 This is a nice bike (not in the 650 class but, will keep up) 265 pounds.
KTM 660 SMC 2003 Only 33hp @ 288 dry weight.
KTM 640 LC4 Enduro 2003 To heavy 328 pounds but, 54hp.
2004 ATK 700 Intimidator Are you crazy?
2004 ATK 620 Intimidator Way high strung.
2003 ATK 605 Enduro to heavy for the output.
Posted September 17, 2004 - 05:19 PM
Posted September 19, 2004 - 10:18 AM
I lived in San Diego for 4 years while I was in the USN there. I worked at Miramar NAS, but lived about 10 miles off base. I owned an XR250L at the time and it was awesome! I wish it was bigger, but it did the trick. There are some great places to ride- one main one was down in Chula Vista down by the Mexican border. The USN also had a motorcycle safety course that may be required to get a base sticker. You need to put in a request through your command chain to take it, but its fun and is like 2 days off from work. You may also be able to use the course completion as a way to get a discount on your mc insurance. There are a lot of canyons on places to explore in San Diego with a dual sport bike- you will be in for a real treat.
Posted September 20, 2004 - 09:33 PM
Posted September 20, 2004 - 11:48 PM
:thinking:Well, monetarily, any newer (not to mention plated) :worthy:"R" is worth every penny of $1500 more than any older "L", as long as both machines are in comparable condition. Naval officers work hard. My suggestion to you, sir, is play hard! We only live once. Just be :naughty:careful playing on your :worthy:"R" if you get it. Uncle Sam wants you!
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